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		<title>By: donjoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>donjoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2011 20:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The quote is actually like this:
- After all, Number One, we&#039;re only mortal.
- Speak for yourself, sir. I plan to live forever.

I know because it was burned in my memory when I re-watched the movie after finding out about H+ and becoming fascinated by it. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The quote is actually like this:<br />
- After all, Number One, we&#8217;re only mortal.<br />
- Speak for yourself, sir. I plan to live forever.</p>
<p>I know because it was burned in my memory when I re-watched the movie after finding out about H+ and becoming fascinated by it. <img src='https://blog.speculist.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: jerome</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/tv_shows/why-we-probably-1-2.html#comment-9331</link>
		<dc:creator>jerome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@vadept
Genetic enhancement of humans was made illegal in the Federation to prevent another Kahn Noonian Singh and another Eugenics war.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@vadept<br />
Genetic enhancement of humans was made illegal in the Federation to prevent another Kahn Noonian Singh and another Eugenics war.</p>
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		<title>By: MDarling</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/tv_shows/why-we-probably-1-2.html#comment-9330</link>
		<dc:creator>MDarling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 10:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;...but progressives as little as 100 years ago would be shocked if they could see what sort of things we consider normal.&quot;

Like what?
Rich people are rich and getting richer? Poor people have indoor plumbing? Gay people expect civil rights?

I mean - what&#039;s so different is the way people see the world and our place in it- not the world or how human society functions.

Predictions are often wrong*- and so not following them is practical - even smart.

Humans are obsessed with themselves. fashion, gossip, celebrity watch- none of this appears to be going away.
And - for reasons I lack articulation to explain- humans also will seize upon even the appearance of foolishness or weakness to defeat their neighbor, sometimes for no other reason than they can. It&#039;s schadenfreude or &quot;tall poppy&quot; syndrome at it&#039;s meanest.
So whoinhell wants predict anything interesting and get creamed for it twice- once when predicting it and again when it doesn&#039;t happen?
And for entertainment- naked women, puppies, flawed human interaction (gossip) and shock have worked for millenia. All the StarTrek iterations knew this and stuck to it.


*The result, which is replicable across a wide range of experts and predictions, is that the actual value of the variable falls outside of the 98% confidence interval 30% of the time.

I repeat: 30%. For those of you who are skeptical and who are wondering where I&#039;m getting this from, I was also skeptical when I first ran across this result, but it was cited as being from a very famous paper called &quot;Judgment under uncertainty&quot; by Tversky and Kahneman - Kahneman being the guy who just won the Nobel Prize in economics - and I checked the paper, and yeah, it&#039;s there.
-Eliezer Yudkowsky, Feb 2003]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;but progressives as little as 100 years ago would be shocked if they could see what sort of things we consider normal.&#8221;</p>
<p>Like what?<br />
Rich people are rich and getting richer? Poor people have indoor plumbing? Gay people expect civil rights?</p>
<p>I mean &#8211; what&#8217;s so different is the way people see the world and our place in it- not the world or how human society functions.</p>
<p>Predictions are often wrong*- and so not following them is practical &#8211; even smart.</p>
<p>Humans are obsessed with themselves. fashion, gossip, celebrity watch- none of this appears to be going away.<br />
And &#8211; for reasons I lack articulation to explain- humans also will seize upon even the appearance of foolishness or weakness to defeat their neighbor, sometimes for no other reason than they can. It&#8217;s schadenfreude or &#8220;tall poppy&#8221; syndrome at it&#8217;s meanest.<br />
So whoinhell wants predict anything interesting and get creamed for it twice- once when predicting it and again when it doesn&#8217;t happen?<br />
And for entertainment- naked women, puppies, flawed human interaction (gossip) and shock have worked for millenia. All the StarTrek iterations knew this and stuck to it.</p>
<p>*The result, which is replicable across a wide range of experts and predictions, is that the actual value of the variable falls outside of the 98% confidence interval 30% of the time.</p>
<p>I repeat: 30%. For those of you who are skeptical and who are wondering where I&#8217;m getting this from, I was also skeptical when I first ran across this result, but it was cited as being from a very famous paper called &#8220;Judgment under uncertainty&#8221; by Tversky and Kahneman &#8211; Kahneman being the guy who just won the Nobel Prize in economics &#8211; and I checked the paper, and yeah, it&#8217;s there.<br />
-Eliezer Yudkowsky, Feb 2003</p>
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		<title>By: Koreman</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/tv_shows/why-we-probably-1-2.html#comment-9329</link>
		<dc:creator>Koreman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 15:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Star Trek TOS was a mirror of everyday society in a slightly-beyond-near future. What&#039;s 300 years or 50? Nothing. The philosophy behind the stories was incredible. It did have an impact on me as youngster. It got me really involved in science and technology.

Next Gen series were commercial productions for the masses. Politicial correct, predictable A-Z scenarios, no real evolving characters, somehow toe curling Americo-Christian even (in an Euro-libetarian view). You won&#039;t find &#039;decent&#039; things in newer series, apart from great acting and nice hours of entertainment. I am not critizing the great efforts that have been made, I am talking about truly innovative stuff.

For interesting things revert to the first series. Almost anything I can think of now came by years ago. Somehow. Coated in a 60&#039;s/70&#039;s dress maybe, but thoughtful and very inspiring. I still regard Star Trek TOS as one of the best series ever made. Besides some Doctor Who, Blakes Seven and Sapphire And Steel.

Watch &#039;Sapphire and Steel&#039; if you don&#039;t know this early 80&#039;s series. It&#039;s singularity plus plus. As a kid -look at my pic- I could not watch it while we were living in a small 18th century house in the woods. I couldn&#039;t resist either. Even after some beaten up drunk guy died at our doorstep one night, for us to discover the next morning.

Ring a ring of rozes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Star Trek TOS was a mirror of everyday society in a slightly-beyond-near future. What&#8217;s 300 years or 50? Nothing. The philosophy behind the stories was incredible. It did have an impact on me as youngster. It got me really involved in science and technology.</p>
<p>Next Gen series were commercial productions for the masses. Politicial correct, predictable A-Z scenarios, no real evolving characters, somehow toe curling Americo-Christian even (in an Euro-libetarian view). You won&#8217;t find &#8216;decent&#8217; things in newer series, apart from great acting and nice hours of entertainment. I am not critizing the great efforts that have been made, I am talking about truly innovative stuff.</p>
<p>For interesting things revert to the first series. Almost anything I can think of now came by years ago. Somehow. Coated in a 60&#8242;s/70&#8242;s dress maybe, but thoughtful and very inspiring. I still regard Star Trek TOS as one of the best series ever made. Besides some Doctor Who, Blakes Seven and Sapphire And Steel.</p>
<p>Watch &#8216;Sapphire and Steel&#8217; if you don&#8217;t know this early 80&#8242;s series. It&#8217;s singularity plus plus. As a kid -look at my pic- I could not watch it while we were living in a small 18th century house in the woods. I couldn&#8217;t resist either. Even after some beaten up drunk guy died at our doorstep one night, for us to discover the next morning.</p>
<p>Ring a ring of rozes.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 07:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Making the skant unisex (rather than a sexist space cheerleader outfit for the babes) was a retcon.

But it was good retcon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Making the skant unisex (rather than a sexist space cheerleader outfit for the babes) was a retcon.</p>
<p>But it was good retcon.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Hallowell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl Hallowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 02:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Apparently they did this throughout the first season. The uniform was called the &quot;skant&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently they did this throughout the first season. The uniform was called the &#8220;skant&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Hallowell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl Hallowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 01:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Star Trek has to appeal to the masses. In the first episode they had a male crew member wearing a dress (nothing fancy, but it was a real Star Trek uniform). That didn&#039;t fly and it gives you an idea of just what an uphill struggle any advanced concepts would have had.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Star Trek has to appeal to the masses. In the first episode they had a male crew member wearing a dress (nothing fancy, but it was a real Star Trek uniform). That didn&#8217;t fly and it gives you an idea of just what an uphill struggle any advanced concepts would have had.</p>
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		<title>By: Vadept</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vadept</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2007 00:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another fun Transhumanist (or anti-transhumanist, as the case may be) factoid from Star Trek: On Deep Space Nine, Dr. Bashir was genetically engineered with greater mental and physical capabilities.  However, genetic engineering is illegal in the Federation, he had to keep all this hidden.

Why is it illegal?  I have no idea.  I might presume to prevent the wealthy from overpowering the poor with super-kids, but given that there IS no wealth in the Federation, I don&#039;t see why they can&#039;t just genetically engineer everyone and have an entire race of advanced, super-intelligent humans.

I seem to remember that Q discusses the past of humanity in the very first episode and that, at some point, we were all badly-dressed, combat-drug addicts with guns attached to our arms.  To prevent this fashion disaster from ever happening again, we were forced to give up all the COOL technology, until we eventually developed warp drive.

But anyway, there&#039;s quite a few unique representations of transhumanism in Star Trek, the show just tries to keep them one of a kind, rather than exploring the actual impact these technologies would have.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another fun Transhumanist (or anti-transhumanist, as the case may be) factoid from Star Trek: On Deep Space Nine, Dr. Bashir was genetically engineered with greater mental and physical capabilities.  However, genetic engineering is illegal in the Federation, he had to keep all this hidden.</p>
<p>Why is it illegal?  I have no idea.  I might presume to prevent the wealthy from overpowering the poor with super-kids, but given that there IS no wealth in the Federation, I don&#8217;t see why they can&#8217;t just genetically engineer everyone and have an entire race of advanced, super-intelligent humans.</p>
<p>I seem to remember that Q discusses the past of humanity in the very first episode and that, at some point, we were all badly-dressed, combat-drug addicts with guns attached to our arms.  To prevent this fashion disaster from ever happening again, we were forced to give up all the COOL technology, until we eventually developed warp drive.</p>
<p>But anyway, there&#8217;s quite a few unique representations of transhumanism in Star Trek, the show just tries to keep them one of a kind, rather than exploring the actual impact these technologies would have.</p>
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