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		<title>By: Phil Bowermaster</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/tv_shows/heroes.html#comment-1912</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Bowermaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 08:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kathy --

Not a bad idea. Of course, I have superhero universe of my own that I haven&#039;t done much with. Don&#039;t forget that before there was The Speculist, there was the Ace of Justice!


Stephen --

Unbreakable is my favorite Shyamalan film. What I think he is best at is inducing feelings of dread -- which he does masterfully in that film.

SPOILER WARNING

And Samuel L. Jackson should have won an oscar for what he pulled off -- a believeable supervillian for whom we have some measure of sympathy even though he&#039;s a complete psycopath.

I think a series would ruin the story, though. I mean,what would happen? Would he start wearing a costume? Would he take on some strange name? Would everybody know who he was, or would he have a secret identity as a security guard? Actually, those are pretty interesting questions -- maybe a series would work after all!

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Andrew --

As I was watching Heroes, I was actually thinking how cool it would be if somebody would make a TV series out of Wild Cards. Something that they have in Wild Cards that they don&#039;t  have in either X-Men or Heroes (so far) is the concept of Jokers -- people for whom the whole mutation thing is an unmitigated bad deal. Even the bad-guy X-Men are just Aces who have turned to evil. My favorite character from Wild Cards is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/s/sleeper.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Croyd&lt;/a&gt; -- now there&#039;s somebody who has very little to do in a superhero universe, or any other kind, for that matter.  


Karl --

I haven&#039;t read Watchmen, but one of the interesting things about the Wild Cards series is how the political landscape remains virtually unchanged by the fact that a devastating virus has killed off millions of people and turned a few lucky survivors into superheroes. The history of the US from WW2 to the late 80&#039;s / early 90&#039;s is almost the same.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathy &#8211;</p>
<p>Not a bad idea. Of course, I have superhero universe of my own that I haven&#8217;t done much with. Don&#8217;t forget that before there was The Speculist, there was the Ace of Justice!</p>
<p>Stephen &#8211;</p>
<p>Unbreakable is my favorite Shyamalan film. What I think he is best at is inducing feelings of dread &#8212; which he does masterfully in that film.</p>
<p>SPOILER WARNING</p>
<p>And Samuel L. Jackson should have won an oscar for what he pulled off &#8212; a believeable supervillian for whom we have some measure of sympathy even though he&#8217;s a complete psycopath.</p>
<p>I think a series would ruin the story, though. I mean,what would happen? Would he start wearing a costume? Would he take on some strange name? Would everybody know who he was, or would he have a secret identity as a security guard? Actually, those are pretty interesting questions &#8212; maybe a series would work after all!</p>
<p>END SPOILER</p>
<p>Andrew &#8211;</p>
<p>As I was watching Heroes, I was actually thinking how cool it would be if somebody would make a TV series out of Wild Cards. Something that they have in Wild Cards that they don&#8217;t  have in either X-Men or Heroes (so far) is the concept of Jokers &#8212; people for whom the whole mutation thing is an unmitigated bad deal. Even the bad-guy X-Men are just Aces who have turned to evil. My favorite character from Wild Cards is <a href="http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/s/sleeper.htm" rel="nofollow">Croyd</a> &#8212; now there&#8217;s somebody who has very little to do in a superhero universe, or any other kind, for that matter.  </p>
<p>Karl &#8211;</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t read Watchmen, but one of the interesting things about the Wild Cards series is how the political landscape remains virtually unchanged by the fact that a devastating virus has killed off millions of people and turned a few lucky survivors into superheroes. The history of the US from WW2 to the late 80&#8242;s / early 90&#8242;s is almost the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Hallowell</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/tv_shows/heroes.html#comment-1911</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Hallowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the things that is interesting about most attempts at a superhero universe is that the alternate universe tends to be the same as us. I guess in part that&#039;s because it&#039;s hard to sypathize with something completely different.

An interesting take that was somewhat different was &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchmen&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Watchmen&quot;&lt;/a&gt;. In it, most superheroes were either people with relatively modest superpowers or people with a lot of special equipment. But there were a few with some particularly awesome powers. For example, the really powerful ones might be able to alter the global balance of power. The result was that society was much the same, but there were things like widespread electric cars and the use of dirgibles which distinguished it. Also, various events sometimes happened differently due to the presence of superheroes. The Second World War came later, the US won the Vietnam War, etc.

Superheros had some impact, but not enough to  warp the world beyond recognition.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the things that is interesting about most attempts at a superhero universe is that the alternate universe tends to be the same as us. I guess in part that&#8217;s because it&#8217;s hard to sypathize with something completely different.</p>
<p>An interesting take that was somewhat different was <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchmen" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Watchmen&#8221;</a>. In it, most superheroes were either people with relatively modest superpowers or people with a lot of special equipment. But there were a few with some particularly awesome powers. For example, the really powerful ones might be able to alter the global balance of power. The result was that society was much the same, but there were things like widespread electric cars and the use of dirgibles which distinguished it. Also, various events sometimes happened differently due to the presence of superheroes. The Second World War came later, the US won the Vietnam War, etc.</p>
<p>Superheros had some impact, but not enough to  warp the world beyond recognition.</p>
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		<title>By: AndrewS</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/tv_shows/heroes.html#comment-1910</link>
		<dc:creator>AndrewS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 11:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;I&#039;m not sure where these characters fit into a superhero story&lt;/blockquote&gt;

One of my favorite &quot;Super-hero&quot; universes was the Wild Cards shared universe. In those books it was the people with the less spectacular powers who were usually the most entertaining characters.

The premise behind the powers, by the way, was that an alien race was fighting within itself and had developed a virus (I think) that could give their people amazing powers, unfortunately it also killed most of the subjects, and horribly deformed most of the rest and gave only weak/useless powers to most of the rest. So they decided to test it on someone else, i.e. us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I&#8217;m not sure where these characters fit into a superhero story</p></blockquote>
<p>One of my favorite &#8220;Super-hero&#8221; universes was the Wild Cards shared universe. In those books it was the people with the less spectacular powers who were usually the most entertaining characters.</p>
<p>The premise behind the powers, by the way, was that an alien race was fighting within itself and had developed a virus (I think) that could give their people amazing powers, unfortunately it also killed most of the subjects, and horribly deformed most of the rest and gave only weak/useless powers to most of the rest. So they decided to test it on someone else, i.e. us.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Gordon</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/tv_shows/heroes.html#comment-1909</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 09:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hiro was definitely my favorite too.  Of course he&#039;s a lovable geek that takes joy in his geekiness.  It&#039;s not surprising that we should like him.

&lt;i&gt;I&#039;m not sure where these characters fit into a superhero story&lt;/i&gt;

Me neither.  It will be fun to see it play out.

They sure rolled this show out to much fanfare - limited commercial interruptions and everything.  I also noticed that in addition to NBC, it&#039;s also rolling out the USA network and the SciFi channel.  Even if NBC drops it, it already has other stations that could continue playing it. 

As for the somewhat believeable superhero story, M. Night Shamalan did that with Unbreakable to mixed reviews.  

Unlike many of the critics, I liked Unbreakable and would love to see it turned into a series.  And beyond hiring good actors and writers, it wouldn&#039;t be all that expensive.   The special effects were very minimal.  

Hero looks like it will fall into the new category of myth building Television.  Each episode stands on its on but should also advance a larger story.  &quot;Lost&quot; is a great example of this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hiro was definitely my favorite too.  Of course he&#8217;s a lovable geek that takes joy in his geekiness.  It&#8217;s not surprising that we should like him.</p>
<p><i>I&#8217;m not sure where these characters fit into a superhero story</i></p>
<p>Me neither.  It will be fun to see it play out.</p>
<p>They sure rolled this show out to much fanfare &#8211; limited commercial interruptions and everything.  I also noticed that in addition to NBC, it&#8217;s also rolling out the USA network and the SciFi channel.  Even if NBC drops it, it already has other stations that could continue playing it. </p>
<p>As for the somewhat believeable superhero story, M. Night Shamalan did that with Unbreakable to mixed reviews.  </p>
<p>Unlike many of the critics, I liked Unbreakable and would love to see it turned into a series.  And beyond hiring good actors and writers, it wouldn&#8217;t be all that expensive.   The special effects were very minimal.  </p>
<p>Hero looks like it will fall into the new category of myth building Television.  Each episode stands on its on but should also advance a larger story.  &#8220;Lost&#8221; is a great example of this.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/tv_shows/heroes.html#comment-1908</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 06:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree, Phil. Script-writers need to consult with Speculists--hey, maybe you should do a Youtube promo!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, Phil. Script-writers need to consult with Speculists&#8211;hey, maybe you should do a Youtube promo!</p>
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