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		<title>By: Stephen Gordon</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/tv_shows/battsgac-meme-w.html#comment-1964</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree.  The goal of guerrilla warfare is to get the other guy to reexamine the cost of fighting you, decide it&#039;s too much and go home.  

The New Caprica problem is that the Cylons could always go back to plan A and exterminate humanity.  Better to play nice and &quot;live to fight another day.&quot;

The Palestinians have continued to engage the Israelis even though the Israelis could essentially wipe them out.

Hamas is basically depending on the goodness of their enemy to be the key to their victory.  Is that what the Batgac insurgents are depending on?  Faulty logic.

Yep, Tigh is being a existential romantic.  Which, considering it&#039;s not just his own life on the line, it&#039;s not so romantic afterall.

But faulty logic/politics aside, it&#039;s a great show.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  The goal of guerrilla warfare is to get the other guy to reexamine the cost of fighting you, decide it&#8217;s too much and go home.  </p>
<p>The New Caprica problem is that the Cylons could always go back to plan A and exterminate humanity.  Better to play nice and &#8220;live to fight another day.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Palestinians have continued to engage the Israelis even though the Israelis could essentially wipe them out.</p>
<p>Hamas is basically depending on the goodness of their enemy to be the key to their victory.  Is that what the Batgac insurgents are depending on?  Faulty logic.</p>
<p>Yep, Tigh is being a existential romantic.  Which, considering it&#8217;s not just his own life on the line, it&#8217;s not so romantic afterall.</p>
<p>But faulty logic/politics aside, it&#8217;s a great show.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Bowermaster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Bowermaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 06:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought it was understood that the second word would be &quot;you.&quot; Although, come to think of it, it could have been &quot;yourself,&quot; &quot;off,&quot; or even &quot;that.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought it was understood that the second word would be &#8220;you.&#8221; Although, come to think of it, it could have been &#8220;yourself,&#8221; &#8220;off,&#8221; or even &#8220;that.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Hallowell</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/tv_shows/battsgac-meme-w.html#comment-1962</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Hallowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let&#039;s have a little rhetorical accounting here. What&#039;s the *second* word you have for the creators of Battlestar Galactica?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s have a little rhetorical accounting here. What&#8217;s the *second* word you have for the creators of Battlestar Galactica?</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Bowermaster</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/tv_shows/battsgac-meme-w.html#comment-1961</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Bowermaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 06:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that the only resistance movement that makes sense is one in which the humans pretend to be cooperating fully. To actively &quot;resist&quot; against an enemy which only decided at the very last minute not to exterminate your species altogether -- and which could easily change its mind at any time -- is stupid. Historical parallels don&#039;t apply. Generally, resistance movements take place in the context of a greater war where the opressor has an adversary who might eventually beat them. That isn&#039;t the case, here. Tigh is willing to sacrifice human existence on the altar of human liberty. That&#039;s all very romantic and idealistic, but he is the one who should truly be trying to &quot;live to fight another day.&quot;

Roslin may well be dead. Based on her behavior in the brief previews, the Roslin we see could easily be a Baltar delusion, a la 6.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the only resistance movement that makes sense is one in which the humans pretend to be cooperating fully. To actively &#8220;resist&#8221; against an enemy which only decided at the very last minute not to exterminate your species altogether &#8212; and which could easily change its mind at any time &#8212; is stupid. Historical parallels don&#8217;t apply. Generally, resistance movements take place in the context of a greater war where the opressor has an adversary who might eventually beat them. That isn&#8217;t the case, here. Tigh is willing to sacrifice human existence on the altar of human liberty. That&#8217;s all very romantic and idealistic, but he is the one who should truly be trying to &#8220;live to fight another day.&#8221;</p>
<p>Roslin may well be dead. Based on her behavior in the brief previews, the Roslin we see could easily be a Baltar delusion, a la 6.</p>
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		<title>By: kbot</title>
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		<dc:creator>kbot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 11:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here is what I said to this post:
http://highclearing.com/index.php/archives/2006/10/07/5522
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The cylons attempted genocide. Worse than genocide. A species war. There is no reconcilliation like Jews and Germans in WWII. Both those parties were human â€” the same basic beings.

There is no reason to trust another species that has already tried to eliminate your species. The result is a very serious rebellion.

This canâ€™t really be compared to Iraq. The US didnâ€™t try to kill every Iraqi. The insurgency is largely composed of former dictatorial elements.

I find the opening of the season interesting precisly because they have the skill to write about oppression and an insurgency without resorting to a proxy-iraq-commentary.

At heart, theyâ€™re writing about humanity. The cylons are simple enough to act as a clear foil to the diverse human reaction to the situation.

Iâ€™m very happy with the opening. 
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Here is another thing I recently said:
I thought it out of character that Apollo had changed so much, but I
accepted it. It was, after all, not after the year, but after just 4
months.

I could imagine someone getting soft in the year, but not when the
threat reappears.

I think Starbuck should try out more inventive ways of killing that dude.

For example: don&#039;t kill him, lobotomize him and cut off all his limbs.
If you can keep him alive with a sugar stream, that would be
interesting. It could a real solution for the &quot;skin job&quot; problem. Keep
them alive, but captured. Come to think of it, I&#039;m surprised the
insurgency hasn&#039;t tried it.

It&#039;s obvious that Roslin didn&#039;t die, so I don&#039;t appreciate the drama
at the end. They should have either made it more obvious that she
lived, or not shown her in the season 3 preview.

I think Tigh is correct about the suicide bombings, especially wrt to
recent contact with Galactica. Folks are coming, it would be good to
make them in disarray.

I would think it obvious to all involved that they aren&#039;t going to get
the bulk of the people off the planet with a direct assault. Such an
approach would be difficult. So Apollo&#039;s note about 5 vs. 10 big ships
is useless. 5 is enough to stop them anyway!

The point is that Tigh should be thinking about minimizing the cylon
presence on the planet, and the best way to do that is to stop the
insurgency.

I think that second link has it right about the failings of the
cylons. Even the benevolent ones can&#039;t get control out of their heads.
They make themselves look more like robots, which is too bad. A
stronger, richer enemy is best.

Finally, I have no idea why Tigh didn&#039;t order EVERYONE in the
insurgency to join the NCP. That is by far the best way to secure its
existence. Also, there would be no threats, so no need for roundups.

Here is my strategy recommendation:
Capitulate on the surface. Everyone join the NCP. Literally, everyone.
Get friendly enough to gain control over communication and lower the
cylon presence. Slowly smuggle people out the rest of the fleet. When
a skeleton crew remains, the cylons will find out what is going on.
Those folks might then die. Alternatively, they can make a run for it.


Here is the next best approach:
Everyone join the NCP. Suicide bombings wherever possible. Smuggle
people out timed with bombings.

I think splitting the fleet makes a lot of sense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is what I said to this post:<br />
<a href="http://highclearing.com/index.php/archives/2006/10/07/5522" rel="nofollow">http://highclearing.com/index.php/archives/2006/10/07/5522</a><br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
The cylons attempted genocide. Worse than genocide. A species war. There is no reconcilliation like Jews and Germans in WWII. Both those parties were human â€” the same basic beings.</p>
<p>There is no reason to trust another species that has already tried to eliminate your species. The result is a very serious rebellion.</p>
<p>This canâ€™t really be compared to Iraq. The US didnâ€™t try to kill every Iraqi. The insurgency is largely composed of former dictatorial elements.</p>
<p>I find the opening of the season interesting precisly because they have the skill to write about oppression and an insurgency without resorting to a proxy-iraq-commentary.</p>
<p>At heart, theyâ€™re writing about humanity. The cylons are simple enough to act as a clear foil to the diverse human reaction to the situation.</p>
<p>Iâ€™m very happy with the opening.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>Here is another thing I recently said:<br />
I thought it out of character that Apollo had changed so much, but I<br />
accepted it. It was, after all, not after the year, but after just 4<br />
months.</p>
<p>I could imagine someone getting soft in the year, but not when the<br />
threat reappears.</p>
<p>I think Starbuck should try out more inventive ways of killing that dude.</p>
<p>For example: don&#8217;t kill him, lobotomize him and cut off all his limbs.<br />
If you can keep him alive with a sugar stream, that would be<br />
interesting. It could a real solution for the &#8220;skin job&#8221; problem. Keep<br />
them alive, but captured. Come to think of it, I&#8217;m surprised the<br />
insurgency hasn&#8217;t tried it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s obvious that Roslin didn&#8217;t die, so I don&#8217;t appreciate the drama<br />
at the end. They should have either made it more obvious that she<br />
lived, or not shown her in the season 3 preview.</p>
<p>I think Tigh is correct about the suicide bombings, especially wrt to<br />
recent contact with Galactica. Folks are coming, it would be good to<br />
make them in disarray.</p>
<p>I would think it obvious to all involved that they aren&#8217;t going to get<br />
the bulk of the people off the planet with a direct assault. Such an<br />
approach would be difficult. So Apollo&#8217;s note about 5 vs. 10 big ships<br />
is useless. 5 is enough to stop them anyway!</p>
<p>The point is that Tigh should be thinking about minimizing the cylon<br />
presence on the planet, and the best way to do that is to stop the<br />
insurgency.</p>
<p>I think that second link has it right about the failings of the<br />
cylons. Even the benevolent ones can&#8217;t get control out of their heads.<br />
They make themselves look more like robots, which is too bad. A<br />
stronger, richer enemy is best.</p>
<p>Finally, I have no idea why Tigh didn&#8217;t order EVERYONE in the<br />
insurgency to join the NCP. That is by far the best way to secure its<br />
existence. Also, there would be no threats, so no need for roundups.</p>
<p>Here is my strategy recommendation:<br />
Capitulate on the surface. Everyone join the NCP. Literally, everyone.<br />
Get friendly enough to gain control over communication and lower the<br />
cylon presence. Slowly smuggle people out the rest of the fleet. When<br />
a skeleton crew remains, the cylons will find out what is going on.<br />
Those folks might then die. Alternatively, they can make a run for it.</p>
<p>Here is the next best approach:<br />
Everyone join the NCP. Suicide bombings wherever possible. Smuggle<br />
people out timed with bombings.</p>
<p>I think splitting the fleet makes a lot of sense.</p>
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