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	<title>Comments on: Death Bonds</title>
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		<title>By: MDarling</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/society/death-bonds.html#comment-2865</link>
		<dc:creator>MDarling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 16:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A few observations:

Let&#039;s say your after tax income is $100k/year.  And you have a choice to buy disability insurance that pays you 70% of your income (70k/yr) if you become disabled and cannot work for a 2500 annual premium.
Your options are basically a four box grid: 
no insurance, no disability 100K income 
no insurance, disability 0 income
Insurance, no disablity 97.5k/yr a
and
insurance, disability 70k/yr.

Life insurance is a little different- though I wouldn&#039;t go so far to say it has no benefit to the insured. I find tremendous benefit while living in knowing that in the event I die (future income 0) my family will have assets to adjust to my absence.

So- given that I find benefit- the question becomes term (cheap, but not likely to pay off) or whole life (more expensive but guaranteed to pay off)

In my mid 20&#039;s I chose whole life for several reasons: I didn&#039;t want to ever have to  be concerned about becoming uninsurable; I knew that someday the premiums could stop though the coverage continued and if I outlive the policy, it pays me.  
Yes- if I used the same actuarial tables and assumptions as the industry, I could have bought term, invested the savings and done better on the investment side. But most term expires unpaid- so you  do worse on the insurance side. Since to me the whole point was risk managment- not investment- I focusde on managing the risk, even though the investment value would under perform. 

Now- since life expectancy increases have improved faster than the actuarial assumptions of my youth, my premiums have been theoretically too high.  But since I should also outlive the table, my payout would come well before my death.

But either way- it&#039;s risk management- not investment. And not really gambling- though both mathemateically and economically there are important similiarities.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few observations:</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say your after tax income is $100k/year.  And you have a choice to buy disability insurance that pays you 70% of your income (70k/yr) if you become disabled and cannot work for a 2500 annual premium.<br />
Your options are basically a four box grid:<br />
no insurance, no disability 100K income<br />
no insurance, disability 0 income<br />
Insurance, no disablity 97.5k/yr a<br />
and<br />
insurance, disability 70k/yr.</p>
<p>Life insurance is a little different- though I wouldn&#8217;t go so far to say it has no benefit to the insured. I find tremendous benefit while living in knowing that in the event I die (future income 0) my family will have assets to adjust to my absence.</p>
<p>So- given that I find benefit- the question becomes term (cheap, but not likely to pay off) or whole life (more expensive but guaranteed to pay off)</p>
<p>In my mid 20&#8242;s I chose whole life for several reasons: I didn&#8217;t want to ever have to  be concerned about becoming uninsurable; I knew that someday the premiums could stop though the coverage continued and if I outlive the policy, it pays me.<br />
Yes- if I used the same actuarial tables and assumptions as the industry, I could have bought term, invested the savings and done better on the investment side. But most term expires unpaid- so you  do worse on the insurance side. Since to me the whole point was risk managment- not investment- I focusde on managing the risk, even though the investment value would under perform. </p>
<p>Now- since life expectancy increases have improved faster than the actuarial assumptions of my youth, my premiums have been theoretically too high.  But since I should also outlive the table, my payout would come well before my death.</p>
<p>But either way- it&#8217;s risk management- not investment. And not really gambling- though both mathemateically and economically there are important similiarities.</p>
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		<title>By: triticale</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/society/death-bonds.html#comment-2864</link>
		<dc:creator>triticale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 15:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;No, mister bond-seller, I expect you to die.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;No, mister bond-seller, I expect you to die.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Gordon</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/society/death-bonds.html#comment-2863</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2007 17:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s hard to convince people to buy something that they will never, personally, get any benefit from.  That&#039;s part of the reason why &quot;whole life&quot; insurance has become popular - even though most financial advisors agree that its too expensive for life insurance and it&#039;s a poor way to invest. It&#039;s like &lt;a href=&quot;http://snltranscripts.jt.org/75/75ishimmer.phtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Shimmer&lt;/a&gt; - its neither a very good floor wax nor dessert topping.

Perhaps a &quot;life settlement-backed security&quot; is a better hybrid.  I&#039;ll have to check it out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard to convince people to buy something that they will never, personally, get any benefit from.  That&#8217;s part of the reason why &#8220;whole life&#8221; insurance has become popular &#8211; even though most financial advisors agree that its too expensive for life insurance and it&#8217;s a poor way to invest. It&#8217;s like <a href="http://snltranscripts.jt.org/75/75ishimmer.phtml" rel="nofollow">Shimmer</a> &#8211; its neither a very good floor wax nor dessert topping.</p>
<p>Perhaps a &#8220;life settlement-backed security&#8221; is a better hybrid.  I&#8217;ll have to check it out.</p>
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		<title>By: KLCtheBookWorm</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/society/death-bonds.html#comment-2862</link>
		<dc:creator>KLCtheBookWorm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2007 10:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought I ran across this investment idea before.  Simon Wood&#039;s has used it for a mystery: &lt;a href=&quot;http://mjroseblog.typepad.com/backstory/2007/06/simon_woods_bac.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://mjroseblog.typepad.com/backstory/2007/06/simon_woods_bac.html&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought I ran across this investment idea before.  Simon Wood&#8217;s has used it for a mystery: <a href="http://mjroseblog.typepad.com/backstory/2007/06/simon_woods_bac.html" rel="nofollow">http://mjroseblog.typepad.com/backstory/2007/06/simon_woods_bac.html</a></p>
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