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		<title>By: will</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/philosophy/the-new-racism-1.html#comment-3799</link>
		<dc:creator>will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great essay.  I&#039;ve always thought the reason people like to think that it the end of the world is because it flatters us.  One may not have been there when Jesus walked the Earth, or when Washington sailed the Potomac, or rode with Genghis Khan, but at least you get to see the end.  What&#039;s better than taking part in history, it&#039;s being able to see the end on history.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great essay.  I&#8217;ve always thought the reason people like to think that it the end of the world is because it flatters us.  One may not have been there when Jesus walked the Earth, or when Washington sailed the Potomac, or rode with Genghis Khan, but at least you get to see the end.  What&#8217;s better than taking part in history, it&#8217;s being able to see the end on history.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Bowermaster</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/philosophy/the-new-racism-1.html#comment-3798</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Bowermaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nolanimrod:

We don&#039;t allow personal attacks on this site, so please find a way to frame your arguments without insulting people.

I&#039;m a little surprised at how prickly some people become when you speak ill of racism and ethnocentrism. I would agree latter is nowhere near as bad as the former; however, ethnocentrism is not simply &quot;liking one&#039;s own culture.&quot; It has to do with assuming that one&#039;s culture is superior and the standard by which all others are to be judged. And, yes, I think it derives from the same basic source as racism -- the fear of the other.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nolanimrod:</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t allow personal attacks on this site, so please find a way to frame your arguments without insulting people.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a little surprised at how prickly some people become when you speak ill of racism and ethnocentrism. I would agree latter is nowhere near as bad as the former; however, ethnocentrism is not simply &#8220;liking one&#8217;s own culture.&#8221; It has to do with assuming that one&#8217;s culture is superior and the standard by which all others are to be judged. And, yes, I think it derives from the same basic source as racism &#8212; the fear of the other.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Bowermaster</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/philosophy/the-new-racism-1.html#comment-3797</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Bowermaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 11:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Capital L:

No harm, no foul. 

Interesting that Hesiod was predicting the end of it all a couple or three hundred years before Alexander, a good two millennia before the fall of Constantinople -- what he &lt;em&gt;might&lt;/em&gt; have viewed (had he been around to witness it) as the end of the end of the end of the virtually unrecognizable abomination that Hellenic civilization had become.

But even that was hardly the end of the world.

I wonder if Hesiod were around today if he would be a film critic? ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Capital L:</p>
<p>No harm, no foul. </p>
<p>Interesting that Hesiod was predicting the end of it all a couple or three hundred years before Alexander, a good two millennia before the fall of Constantinople &#8212; what he <em>might</em> have viewed (had he been around to witness it) as the end of the end of the end of the virtually unrecognizable abomination that Hellenic civilization had become.</p>
<p>But even that was hardly the end of the world.</p>
<p>I wonder if Hesiod were around today if he would be a film critic? <img src='https://blog.speculist.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/philosophy/the-new-racism-1.html#comment-3796</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 11:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Have you ever known a person who&#039;s suffering from depression? If so, and if that person is relatively intelligent, you&#039;ve probably heard the lament, &quot;Sometimes I just wish I weren&#039;t so &lt;i&gt;smart.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

What they mean is that they feel saddled by their own ability to think -- by a brain that&#039;s capable of seeing and analyzing reality to the point of discomfort.

You&#039;ve probably sometimes felt like shaking them: &quot;Yes, you ARE smart -- but you&#039;re not seeing the whole picture! Yes, you DO have a brain that can incisively analyze reality, but you&#039;ve zeroed in on the sliver of bad stuff at the expense of all the good!&quot;

That&#039;s what a lot of this feels like: a collective tendency to zero in on the world&#039;s ills, at the expense of seeing the bigger picture and all its good. And maybe the &quot;smarter&quot; we collectively become, the more pronounced this tendency.

&quot;Ignorance is bliss&quot; didn&#039;t become a cliche just by accident.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you ever known a person who&#8217;s suffering from depression? If so, and if that person is relatively intelligent, you&#8217;ve probably heard the lament, &#8220;Sometimes I just wish I weren&#8217;t so <i>smart.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>What they mean is that they feel saddled by their own ability to think &#8212; by a brain that&#8217;s capable of seeing and analyzing reality to the point of discomfort.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve probably sometimes felt like shaking them: &#8220;Yes, you ARE smart &#8212; but you&#8217;re not seeing the whole picture! Yes, you DO have a brain that can incisively analyze reality, but you&#8217;ve zeroed in on the sliver of bad stuff at the expense of all the good!&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what a lot of this feels like: a collective tendency to zero in on the world&#8217;s ills, at the expense of seeing the bigger picture and all its good. And maybe the &#8220;smarter&#8221; we collectively become, the more pronounced this tendency.</p>
<p>&#8220;Ignorance is bliss&#8221; didn&#8217;t become a cliche just by accident.</p>
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		<title>By: Clioman</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/philosophy/the-new-racism-1.html#comment-3795</link>
		<dc:creator>Clioman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 08:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What to reduce personal pessimism?  Watch less television.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What to reduce personal pessimism?  Watch less television.</p>
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		<title>By: capital L</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/philosophy/the-new-racism-1.html#comment-3794</link>
		<dc:creator>capital L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 08:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Phil: I apologize, as upon rereading the post I did not indeed see the same overall implications that I somehow came away with initially. 

I assure you I did make some effort at reading it before posting, as it was this sentance &quot;However, the fatalism that both she and Roger Ebert express is a palpable undercurrent in much contemporary discourse, political and otherwise.&quot; that got my wheels turning about ancient pessimism and then Hesiod.

It seems the first couple paragraphs, which I skimmed through with utter ineptness, address both my (incorrect) concern that pessimism was being considered new and my confusion at the &quot;new racism&quot; context.

Once I got to thinking about &quot;this relevant but obscure quote!!1!&quot; I failed in my due diligence regarding what you were trying to express, and I feel foolish.  Mea culpa.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil: I apologize, as upon rereading the post I did not indeed see the same overall implications that I somehow came away with initially. </p>
<p>I assure you I did make some effort at reading it before posting, as it was this sentance &#8220;However, the fatalism that both she and Roger Ebert express is a palpable undercurrent in much contemporary discourse, political and otherwise.&#8221; that got my wheels turning about ancient pessimism and then Hesiod.</p>
<p>It seems the first couple paragraphs, which I skimmed through with utter ineptness, address both my (incorrect) concern that pessimism was being considered new and my confusion at the &#8220;new racism&#8221; context.</p>
<p>Once I got to thinking about &#8220;this relevant but obscure quote!!1!&#8221; I failed in my due diligence regarding what you were trying to express, and I feel foolish.  Mea culpa.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Bowermaster</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/philosophy/the-new-racism-1.html#comment-3793</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Bowermaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 07:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Capital L:

&lt;em&gt;As demonstrably ridiculous as your supposition that rampant pessimism is a recent phenomenon...&lt;/em&gt;

Oops, looks like you clicked the wrong browser button somewhere and ended up on a different blog post. You&#039;re commenting on a post wherein the author claims that pessimism is innate and that it&#039;s been with us since before we were even fully human. Like, way before Hesiod, if that helps.

&lt;em&gt;it pales in comparison to the sheer madness of declaring pessimism &quot;the new racism&quot;--whatever exactly that means. &lt;/em&gt;

Well, again, that would require reading the actual post.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Capital L:</p>
<p><em>As demonstrably ridiculous as your supposition that rampant pessimism is a recent phenomenon&#8230;</em></p>
<p>Oops, looks like you clicked the wrong browser button somewhere and ended up on a different blog post. You&#8217;re commenting on a post wherein the author claims that pessimism is innate and that it&#8217;s been with us since before we were even fully human. Like, way before Hesiod, if that helps.</p>
<p><em>it pales in comparison to the sheer madness of declaring pessimism &#8220;the new racism&#8221;&#8211;whatever exactly that means. </em></p>
<p>Well, again, that would require reading the actual post.</p>
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		<title>By: nolanimrod</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/philosophy/the-new-racism-1.html#comment-3792</link>
		<dc:creator>nolanimrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 04:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Like so many full of himself blatherers you have no clue.  You use racism and ethnocentrism in a sentence as though they were two fruits of the same tree.  Racism is generally unhelpful.  Ethnocentrism?  What&#039;s wrong with liking your own culture?  Really?  What&#039;s the alternative?  U.S. of KKK?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like so many full of himself blatherers you have no clue.  You use racism and ethnocentrism in a sentence as though they were two fruits of the same tree.  Racism is generally unhelpful.  Ethnocentrism?  What&#8217;s wrong with liking your own culture?  Really?  What&#8217;s the alternative?  U.S. of KKK?</p>
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		<title>By: rjschwarz</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/philosophy/the-new-racism-1.html#comment-3791</link>
		<dc:creator>rjschwarz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 02:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[teenagers tend to become pessimistic and Hollywood started tapping the teenage market big time so it&#039;s not a bit surprise if pessimism has increased and even keeps teens from growing out of it now  adays.

They also say that non-religious folks are more pessimistic so perhaps there is another simultanious trend at work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>teenagers tend to become pessimistic and Hollywood started tapping the teenage market big time so it&#8217;s not a bit surprise if pessimism has increased and even keeps teens from growing out of it now  adays.</p>
<p>They also say that non-religious folks are more pessimistic so perhaps there is another simultanious trend at work.</p>
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		<title>By: Maimonatease</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/philosophy/the-new-racism-1.html#comment-3790</link>
		<dc:creator>Maimonatease</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 00:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s something vaguely quasi-religious about the simultaneous adoration and de facto dismissal of the doomsayers. I just got back from the BIO conference in San Diego and saw that, in the midst of what is surely the most optimistic, super-hyped celebration of our glorious bio-future, everybody feels obligated to do pay approximately 3% of their attention to people telling us how awful everything is and will continue to be if we don&#039;t radically change our ways. Its almost like tithing or penance. It feels like there is a whole industry - stretching across academia, culture and politics - based around Ehrlichism (or anti-Simonism) but its not about anything other than the feelings and self-perceptions of all concerned. Ehrlich will continue to be wrong, and continue to be celebrated, while Simon will continue to be correct, and ignored. The fact of the matter is that our highly dynamic economy and society solves problems about as rapidly as they arise. People are scared of people like Kurzweil not because they think he is wrong and they are worried about the future, but precisely the opposite: because they think he might be absolutely right, and they are worried about how much penance and tithing they will need to do to alleviate the guilt and make it &#039;acceptable&#039; to live a very happy and healthy 200+ years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s something vaguely quasi-religious about the simultaneous adoration and de facto dismissal of the doomsayers. I just got back from the BIO conference in San Diego and saw that, in the midst of what is surely the most optimistic, super-hyped celebration of our glorious bio-future, everybody feels obligated to do pay approximately 3% of their attention to people telling us how awful everything is and will continue to be if we don&#8217;t radically change our ways. Its almost like tithing or penance. It feels like there is a whole industry &#8211; stretching across academia, culture and politics &#8211; based around Ehrlichism (or anti-Simonism) but its not about anything other than the feelings and self-perceptions of all concerned. Ehrlich will continue to be wrong, and continue to be celebrated, while Simon will continue to be correct, and ignored. The fact of the matter is that our highly dynamic economy and society solves problems about as rapidly as they arise. People are scared of people like Kurzweil not because they think he is wrong and they are worried about the future, but precisely the opposite: because they think he might be absolutely right, and they are worried about how much penance and tithing they will need to do to alleviate the guilt and make it &#8216;acceptable&#8217; to live a very happy and healthy 200+ years.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/philosophy/the-new-racism-1.html#comment-3789</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 21:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you step out of the Western Civilization viewpoint (with America at it&#039;s center) and say, look at the world from an Asian viewpoint (China in particular) the last twenty five years indicate great optimism for the future, as their standard of living has risen dramatically.
The West may think pessimistically, because SOME of the huge advantages we had in some areas have disappeared. The West isn&#039;t &quot;worse off&quot;, it&#039;s just that much of the world, especially the billions of Asia, are much better off.
If you were a Russian, the &#039;90&#039;s were a really bad decade, as the USSR fell apart, and chaos ensued. Nowadays, things are looking up, in only certain ways, though.
If you live in certain parts of the Sudan or Zimbabwe, or dozens of other real Hell-holes on Earth, things don&#039;t look so good.
Our real knowledge of the world, as it really exists, is a double edged sword. We can choose to be pessimists, by looking at the worst alternatives, or be optimists and expect the best possible outcomes.  Undoubtedly, in the next ten or twenty years, bad things will happen somewhere. But unless you are unfortunate to live in one of the worlds worst places, the future for most of the human race on Earth is getting brighter every year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you step out of the Western Civilization viewpoint (with America at it&#8217;s center) and say, look at the world from an Asian viewpoint (China in particular) the last twenty five years indicate great optimism for the future, as their standard of living has risen dramatically.<br />
The West may think pessimistically, because SOME of the huge advantages we had in some areas have disappeared. The West isn&#8217;t &#8220;worse off&#8221;, it&#8217;s just that much of the world, especially the billions of Asia, are much better off.<br />
If you were a Russian, the &#8217;90&#8242;s were a really bad decade, as the USSR fell apart, and chaos ensued. Nowadays, things are looking up, in only certain ways, though.<br />
If you live in certain parts of the Sudan or Zimbabwe, or dozens of other real Hell-holes on Earth, things don&#8217;t look so good.<br />
Our real knowledge of the world, as it really exists, is a double edged sword. We can choose to be pessimists, by looking at the worst alternatives, or be optimists and expect the best possible outcomes.  Undoubtedly, in the next ten or twenty years, bad things will happen somewhere. But unless you are unfortunate to live in one of the worlds worst places, the future for most of the human race on Earth is getting brighter every year.</p>
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		<title>By: John Lynch</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Lynch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 21:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Our society is aging.  More older people are contemplating their own mortality.  

A lot of people confuse their own decline with that of society, or the world.

I think it&#039;s the Boomers getting old.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our society is aging.  More older people are contemplating their own mortality.  </p>
<p>A lot of people confuse their own decline with that of society, or the world.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s the Boomers getting old.</p>
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		<title>By: capital L</title>
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		<dc:creator>capital L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 21:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is nothing remotely new about pessimism.  Tell me of a time when mankind didn&#039;t obsess over our impending demise! For example Hesiod wrote the following in approximately the 8th century BC: 
&quot;I wish
I had nothing to do with this fifth generation,
Wish I had died before or been born after,
Because this is the Iron Age.  
Not a day goes by 
A man doesn&#039;t have some kind of trouble.
Nights too, just wearing him down.  I mean
The gods send us terrible pain and vexation.
Still, there&#039;ll be some good mixed in with the evil,
And then Zeus will destroy this generation too,
...[omitting 16 lines of examples of the coming troubles]...
Envy will be everybody&#039;s constant companion,
With her foul mouth and hateful face, relishing evil.
And then
up to Olympos from the wide-pathed Earth,
lovely apparitions wrapped in white veils,
off to join the Immortals, abandoning humans
There go Shame and Nemesis.  And horrible suffering 
Will be left for mortal men, and no defense against evil.&quot;

(translation: Lombardo)

Hesiod was an extremely influential author, and his vision of the inevitable doom of mankind was by no means uncommon.

As demonstrably ridiculous as your supposition that rampant pessimism is a recent phenomenon may be, it pales in comparison to the sheer madness of declaring pessimism &quot;the new racism&quot;--whatever exactly that means.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is nothing remotely new about pessimism.  Tell me of a time when mankind didn&#8217;t obsess over our impending demise! For example Hesiod wrote the following in approximately the 8th century BC:<br />
&#8220;I wish<br />
I had nothing to do with this fifth generation,<br />
Wish I had died before or been born after,<br />
Because this is the Iron Age.<br />
Not a day goes by<br />
A man doesn&#8217;t have some kind of trouble.<br />
Nights too, just wearing him down.  I mean<br />
The gods send us terrible pain and vexation.<br />
Still, there&#8217;ll be some good mixed in with the evil,<br />
And then Zeus will destroy this generation too,<br />
&#8230;[omitting 16 lines of examples of the coming troubles]&#8230;<br />
Envy will be everybody&#8217;s constant companion,<br />
With her foul mouth and hateful face, relishing evil.<br />
And then<br />
up to Olympos from the wide-pathed Earth,<br />
lovely apparitions wrapped in white veils,<br />
off to join the Immortals, abandoning humans<br />
There go Shame and Nemesis.  And horrible suffering<br />
Will be left for mortal men, and no defense against evil.&#8221;</p>
<p>(translation: Lombardo)</p>
<p>Hesiod was an extremely influential author, and his vision of the inevitable doom of mankind was by no means uncommon.</p>
<p>As demonstrably ridiculous as your supposition that rampant pessimism is a recent phenomenon may be, it pales in comparison to the sheer madness of declaring pessimism &#8220;the new racism&#8221;&#8211;whatever exactly that means.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 20:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think pessimism is the problem.  I think the new problems are the old problems: envy, greed, duplicity, vanity and hate.

Add amorality, moral relativism and rationalization.  Convince a large number of the population that these are all virtues when done correctly.

You&#039;ll get the problems we have now: people are unhappy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think pessimism is the problem.  I think the new problems are the old problems: envy, greed, duplicity, vanity and hate.</p>
<p>Add amorality, moral relativism and rationalization.  Convince a large number of the population that these are all virtues when done correctly.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll get the problems we have now: people are unhappy.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Manifold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Manifold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 20:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As has, I think, been said elsewhere, Ehrlich &lt;i&gt;et al&lt;/i&gt; are anti-Cassandras: instead of always being right and never being believed, they have a terrible track record and huge numbers of followers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As has, I think, been said elsewhere, Ehrlich <i>et al</i> are anti-Cassandras: instead of always being right and never being believed, they have a terrible track record and huge numbers of followers.</p>
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