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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/philosophy/alien-religion-1.html#comment-1016</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 13:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If a race of beings managed to evolve to a level of technology as they would require to reach us, surely any religious/spiritual beliefs would not contain any element of &quot;we good - you bad&quot;... otherwise they would have killed each other off (where we&#039;re headed) long before reaching a level of ability required to travel here, etc.  Religions that are built around exclusion of anyone outside of their specific beliefs result in what history has provided for us right here on earth. So, no I doubt the aliens would have a religion view that is anything even close to what we have to choose from... or they wouldn&#039;t be here, long extinct from their own marred outlook on life and living people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a race of beings managed to evolve to a level of technology as they would require to reach us, surely any religious/spiritual beliefs would not contain any element of &#8220;we good &#8211; you bad&#8221;&#8230; otherwise they would have killed each other off (where we&#8217;re headed) long before reaching a level of ability required to travel here, etc.  Religions that are built around exclusion of anyone outside of their specific beliefs result in what history has provided for us right here on earth. So, no I doubt the aliens would have a religion view that is anything even close to what we have to choose from&#8230; or they wouldn&#8217;t be here, long extinct from their own marred outlook on life and living people.</p>
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		<title>By: MasterPlanz</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/philosophy/alien-religion-1.html#comment-1015</link>
		<dc:creator>MasterPlanz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 00:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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It would be very unexpected if aliens did not exist.

Since in all likelihood they do exist, I see no reason why they would not have a belief system. Whether or not that system includes a deity is an open question.

We will know when we meet them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be very unexpected if aliens did not exist.</p>
<p>Since in all likelihood they do exist, I see no reason why they would not have a belief system. Whether or not that system includes a deity is an open question.</p>
<p>We will know when we meet them.</p>
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		<title>By: Hamsterbaffle</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/philosophy/alien-religion-1.html#comment-1014</link>
		<dc:creator>Hamsterbaffle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Phil Bowermaster said:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;If and when we encounter aliens, we will likely find that they have several religions, as well as competing non-religious and anti-religious modes of thought.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

I enjoy these speculative conversations as much as anyone, but, with all due respect, to predict anything about what &quot;we will likely find&quot; regarding the philosophical and religious feelings of any intelligent extraterrestrial organisms is to assume a whole lot.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

I guess it seems a little bit like us wondering what an alien species&#039; favorite color will be. Idiots might guess that aliens will like blue, or red, or black or whatever. With a little more thought, it occurs to one that they should have a diversity of opinions about colors, just as we do. In fact, we don&#039;t have any reason to think that they percieve color AT ALL. And I don&#039;t mean &quot;our colors.&quot; I mean, even *if* they percieve some bandwidths of light in some way, their way of interacting with the world may not involve &quot;vision.&quot; Even if we could communicate verbally, we might have an extremely difficult time explaining just what &quot;color&quot; is or why anyone might have a favorite.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

The reality is that, even when you understand that real aliens almost certainly won&#039;t look like humans (with cranial ridges), you&#039;re not done deparochializing your viewpoint.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Let alone God/Spirit/Divine Magic/Creatorism, we don&#039;t even know if they are capable of belief in things like:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

- heirarchy&lt;br /&gt;
- reality/unreality&lt;br /&gt;
- personal pain or desire&lt;br /&gt;
- the future&lt;br /&gt;
- morality&lt;br /&gt;
- decision&lt;br /&gt;
- us&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

To put it bluntly, we don&#039;t know if our hypothetical aliens believe . . . at all.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil Bowermaster said:<br /><i><b>If and when we encounter aliens, we will likely find that they have several religions, as well as competing non-religious and anti-religious modes of thought.</b></i></p>
<p>I enjoy these speculative conversations as much as anyone, but, with all due respect, to predict anything about what &#8220;we will likely find&#8221; regarding the philosophical and religious feelings of any intelligent extraterrestrial organisms is to assume a whole lot.</p>
<p>I guess it seems a little bit like us wondering what an alien species&#8217; favorite color will be. Idiots might guess that aliens will like blue, or red, or black or whatever. With a little more thought, it occurs to one that they should have a diversity of opinions about colors, just as we do. In fact, we don&#8217;t have any reason to think that they percieve color AT ALL. And I don&#8217;t mean &#8220;our colors.&#8221; I mean, even *if* they percieve some bandwidths of light in some way, their way of interacting with the world may not involve &#8220;vision.&#8221; Even if we could communicate verbally, we might have an extremely difficult time explaining just what &#8220;color&#8221; is or why anyone might have a favorite.</p>
<p>The reality is that, even when you understand that real aliens almost certainly won&#8217;t look like humans (with cranial ridges), you&#8217;re not done deparochializing your viewpoint.</p>
<p>Let alone God/Spirit/Divine Magic/Creatorism, we don&#8217;t even know if they are capable of belief in things like:</p>
<p>- heirarchy<br />
- reality/unreality<br />
- personal pain or desire<br />
- the future<br />
- morality<br />
- decision<br />
- us</p>
<p>To put it bluntly, we don&#8217;t know if our hypothetical aliens believe . . . at all.</p>
<p>-</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Hallowell</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/philosophy/alien-religion-1.html#comment-1013</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Hallowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2005 14:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I, for one, will be quite disturbed if we encounter other intelligent races in the cosmos. As a believer in a revelational religion (Christian to be precise) I would have expected scripture to have provided some kind of warning prior to such a world shattering, or at least, world-view shattering event. While not denying the possibility of ET, I just think that we will never meet them even if they exist.&lt;/i&gt;

Why? My take is that if we had a sensitive enough receiver, pointed in the right direction, we would already know of intelligent life somewhere else in the universe, perhaps even in our galaxy. Ie, why only one intelligent race in a bowl, 13 billion light years across? Besides, I imagine that it won&#039;t be hard to find evidence for ETs after the fact. The scriptures are easy to reinterprete.

Second, I&#039;m not confident that an alien species will or won&#039;t be multicultural. After all, look at the massive decline in the diversity of languages in the past century alone. Most of the human race can speak at least one of a few very prevalent languages. A very few cultures dominate huge portions of the human population.

My take is that this process might eliminate most human culture over a few millenia unless something (ie, space travel) occurs to create new diversity again.

Even if I&#039;m completely wrong, it is possible that most cultures will never leave Earth. So we might end up with an extremely diverse homeworld and a space-faring civilization that is far less diverse in culture.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I, for one, will be quite disturbed if we encounter other intelligent races in the cosmos. As a believer in a revelational religion (Christian to be precise) I would have expected scripture to have provided some kind of warning prior to such a world shattering, or at least, world-view shattering event. While not denying the possibility of ET, I just think that we will never meet them even if they exist.</i></p>
<p>Why? My take is that if we had a sensitive enough receiver, pointed in the right direction, we would already know of intelligent life somewhere else in the universe, perhaps even in our galaxy. Ie, why only one intelligent race in a bowl, 13 billion light years across? Besides, I imagine that it won&#8217;t be hard to find evidence for ETs after the fact. The scriptures are easy to reinterprete.</p>
<p>Second, I&#8217;m not confident that an alien species will or won&#8217;t be multicultural. After all, look at the massive decline in the diversity of languages in the past century alone. Most of the human race can speak at least one of a few very prevalent languages. A very few cultures dominate huge portions of the human population.</p>
<p>My take is that this process might eliminate most human culture over a few millenia unless something (ie, space travel) occurs to create new diversity again.</p>
<p>Even if I&#8217;m completely wrong, it is possible that most cultures will never leave Earth. So we might end up with an extremely diverse homeworld and a space-faring civilization that is far less diverse in culture.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Gordon</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/philosophy/alien-religion-1.html#comment-1012</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 04:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Some of their religions may look strikingly similar to some of ours&quot;

I&#039;m reminded of this scene from &quot;Enemy Mine:&quot;

Davidge: &quot;If one receives evil from another, let one not do evil in return. Rather, let him extend love to the enemy, that love might unite them.&quot; I&#039;ve heard all this before... in the human Taalmaan.

Jeriba Shigan &#039;Jerry&#039; (Drac): Of course you have. Truth is truth.

I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if there was a redemption-based religion much like Christianity within (or within the history of) an alien civilization.

We have only one model of sentient self-aware people to extrapolate from, so of course this is just a guess.  But it just seems obvious that an intelligent race would be able to visualise the ideal, note how they are deficient from that ideal, and then seek redemption through some form of sacrifice.  Religions like that were found all over the world in ancient times.

The once-for-all-time sacrifice of a messiah figure is the logical progression of that.

We could expect the details to be different.  Things like the virgin birth, miracles, second comings, and even the existance of an after-life might all be quite different.

Something like Buddhism, with or without some of the details of reincarnation, would also seem to me to be an obvious path for the religious evolution of a spiritual civilization.

There might also be some rather uncomfortable hybrids.

If we were to come into contact with an alien civilizatin I&#039;m sure there would be people in every religion stretching to find some commonality with alien religions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Some of their religions may look strikingly similar to some of ours&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m reminded of this scene from &#8220;Enemy Mine:&#8221;</p>
<p>Davidge: &#8220;If one receives evil from another, let one not do evil in return. Rather, let him extend love to the enemy, that love might unite them.&#8221; I&#8217;ve heard all this before&#8230; in the human Taalmaan.</p>
<p>Jeriba Shigan &#8216;Jerry&#8217; (Drac): Of course you have. Truth is truth.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if there was a redemption-based religion much like Christianity within (or within the history of) an alien civilization.</p>
<p>We have only one model of sentient self-aware people to extrapolate from, so of course this is just a guess.  But it just seems obvious that an intelligent race would be able to visualise the ideal, note how they are deficient from that ideal, and then seek redemption through some form of sacrifice.  Religions like that were found all over the world in ancient times.</p>
<p>The once-for-all-time sacrifice of a messiah figure is the logical progression of that.</p>
<p>We could expect the details to be different.  Things like the virgin birth, miracles, second comings, and even the existance of an after-life might all be quite different.</p>
<p>Something like Buddhism, with or without some of the details of reincarnation, would also seem to me to be an obvious path for the religious evolution of a spiritual civilization.</p>
<p>There might also be some rather uncomfortable hybrids.</p>
<p>If we were to come into contact with an alien civilizatin I&#8217;m sure there would be people in every religion stretching to find some commonality with alien religions.</p>
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		<title>By: Toby928</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/philosophy/alien-religion-1.html#comment-1011</link>
		<dc:creator>Toby928</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2005 15:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I, for one, will be quite disturbed if we encounter other intelligent races in the cosmos.  As a believer in a revelational religion (Christian to be precise) I would have expected scripture to have provided some kind of warning prior to such a world shattering, or at least, world-view shattering event.  While not denying the possibility of ET, I just think that we will never meet them even if they exist.

Tob]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, for one, will be quite disturbed if we encounter other intelligent races in the cosmos.  As a believer in a revelational religion (Christian to be precise) I would have expected scripture to have provided some kind of warning prior to such a world shattering, or at least, world-view shattering event.  While not denying the possibility of ET, I just think that we will never meet them even if they exist.</p>
<p>Tob</p>
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