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		<title>By: Phil Bowermaster</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/nanotechnology/when-electronic-1.html#comment-8556</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Bowermaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I guess the question is...what viable alternatives exist or can be developed in the near term? The EU&#039;s pending ban could actually be a good thing if it leads to a new set of solutions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess the question is&#8230;what viable alternatives exist or can be developed in the near term? The EU&#8217;s pending ban could actually be a good thing if it leads to a new set of solutions.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/nanotechnology/when-electronic-1.html#comment-8555</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2005 09:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think you hit the tin whisker on the head, Karl. I realize that we all have blind spots when it comes to our political idealology. One goal I have for 2005 is to examine mine closely. The EU&#039;s blind spot, however, could be extremely hazardous to the environment and the environmental movement. It would seem to me that in the long-term, dealing with the real dangers of lead from all sources would give environmentalists more credibility and elicit better  cooperation. But maybe I&#039;m just an idealist.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you hit the tin whisker on the head, Karl. I realize that we all have blind spots when it comes to our political idealology. One goal I have for 2005 is to examine mine closely. The EU&#8217;s blind spot, however, could be extremely hazardous to the environment and the environmental movement. It would seem to me that in the long-term, dealing with the real dangers of lead from all sources would give environmentalists more credibility and elicit better  cooperation. But maybe I&#8217;m just an idealist.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Gordon</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/nanotechnology/when-electronic-1.html#comment-8554</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2005 09:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Moving to unleaded gasoline a couple of decades back did wonders for the environment.  But I agree with Karl that at some point we have to ask whether removing all lead from circulation is either possible or desireable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moving to unleaded gasoline a couple of decades back did wonders for the environment.  But I agree with Karl that at some point we have to ask whether removing all lead from circulation is either possible or desireable.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Hallowell</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/nanotechnology/when-electronic-1.html#comment-8553</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Hallowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2005 09:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the electronics industry was just a target of opportunity. A considerable portion of the political side of the Green movement seems driven by ideology rather than practical considerations. Perhaps they need to demonstrate that they are &quot;improving&quot; the environment via imposing regulations on industry and commerce. Ie, a politician who does nothing may fall out of power.&lt;p&gt;

Also glancing at the table of EPA contributors to lead leachate, I see three items ahead of consumer electronics, namely, batteries, CRTs, and glass/ceramics. The first two are virtually untouchable from a Green point of view because they already serve an ideological function. The lead-acid battery is still a decent choice for an electric car and for a storage system for home based power systems. Meanwhile the lead in CRTs (cathode ray tubes in TVs and computer monitors) shields millions of people from the CRTs&#039; electromagnetic field radiation (including a small amount of soft X-Rays, I understand). I believe that the lead is required in CRTs to meet existing regulations on EMF emissions. The category of &quot;glass and ceramics&quot; may be regulated. It is only modestly larger than consumer electronics.&lt;p&gt;

So politically, electronic devices are among the largest categories of lead sources that can be regulated more with relatively little consequence.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the electronics industry was just a target of opportunity. A considerable portion of the political side of the Green movement seems driven by ideology rather than practical considerations. Perhaps they need to demonstrate that they are &#8220;improving&#8221; the environment via imposing regulations on industry and commerce. Ie, a politician who does nothing may fall out of power.
<p>Also glancing at the table of EPA contributors to lead leachate, I see three items ahead of consumer electronics, namely, batteries, CRTs, and glass/ceramics. The first two are virtually untouchable from a Green point of view because they already serve an ideological function. The lead-acid battery is still a decent choice for an electric car and for a storage system for home based power systems. Meanwhile the lead in CRTs (cathode ray tubes in TVs and computer monitors) shields millions of people from the CRTs&#8217; electromagnetic field radiation (including a small amount of soft X-Rays, I understand). I believe that the lead is required in CRTs to meet existing regulations on EMF emissions. The category of &#8220;glass and ceramics&#8221; may be regulated. It is only modestly larger than consumer electronics.</p>
<p>So politically, electronic devices are among the largest categories of lead sources that can be regulated more with relatively little consequence.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/nanotechnology/when-electronic-1.html#comment-8552</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2005 14:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree. What do you think their motives are to single out the electronics industry?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. What do you think their motives are to single out the electronics industry?</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Hallowell</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/nanotechnology/when-electronic-1.html#comment-8551</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Hallowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2005 13:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I looked around to get a feeling for how dangerous tin whiskers really are. Apparently, tin, zinc, and some other metals can form metal whiskers up to 1-2 mm long over the course of months to several years. Alloying (eg, with lead) is one of several ways to reduce but not prevent whisker formation.&lt;p&gt;

In the &lt;a href=&quot;http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Risks Digest&lt;/a&gt;, I see only &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;lr=&amp;c2coff=1&amp;q=%22risks+digest%22+whiskers+site%3Acatless.ncl.ac.uk&amp;btnG=Search&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;two mentions&lt;/a&gt; to metal whiskers (and a third to ferret whiskers :-). So it appears that the problem is relatively rare (or perhaps rarely diagnosed/reported accurately).&lt;p&gt;

Looking around, I found a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.calce.umd.edu/lead-free/other/NALLEY_ACI.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;article/presentation&lt;/a&gt; (appears to be on or after 2002) that focuses on the dangers of tin whiskers in military electronics and appears to be worth a close look. One thing that was disturbing was that a lot of electronics was being switched to pure tin and that many of the parts suppliers (the article claims one half of those surveyed) weren&#039;t aware of tin whisker formation. NASA, who &quot;prohibits&quot; the use/presence of pure tin surfaces still had &quot;1-2% pure tin parts&quot; enter their satellite systems at some point (date not specified).&lt;p&gt;

The ecological dangers seem overrated especially when compared with lead-acid batteries. From the paper:&lt;p&gt;

&lt;i&gt;Note: In the EU starting in 2006 - Electronic Solder (0.49%) will be banned, but Lead Batteries (80%) will be exempt. Reason:  &quot;cars can not run without batteries but the electronics industry can manage without lead .&quot; (Chart is based on Consumption) [chart came from &quot;Advancing Microelectronics&quot;, Sept/Oct 1999, pg 29, vol 4]&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;

[...]&lt;p&gt;

&lt;i&gt;Note: EU exempts lead acid batteries from the landfill, but prohibits  consumer electronics  from disposal. (Chart is based on Lead containing Discards as a Weight Percent) [EPA, 1998]&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;

From the chart refered to in the second quote, consumer electronics seemed responsible for 4.4% of lead leachate in US landfills, but batteries were responsible for 48.1%.&lt;p&gt;

This seems to me to be a gross imposition on the electronics industry without a good reason. If lead is really that bad, then they should regulate more sternly battery producers, who are the prime consumer of lead and producer of lead tainted waste.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I looked around to get a feeling for how dangerous tin whiskers really are. Apparently, tin, zinc, and some other metals can form metal whiskers up to 1-2 mm long over the course of months to several years. Alloying (eg, with lead) is one of several ways to reduce but not prevent whisker formation.
<p>In the <a href="http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/" rel="nofollow">Risks Digest</a>, I see only <a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&#038;lr=&#038;c2coff=1&#038;q=%22risks+digest%22+whiskers+site%3Acatless.ncl.ac.uk&#038;btnG=Search" rel="nofollow">two mentions</a> to metal whiskers (and a third to ferret whiskers <img src='https://blog.speculist.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> . So it appears that the problem is relatively rare (or perhaps rarely diagnosed/reported accurately).</p>
<p>Looking around, I found a <a href="http://www.calce.umd.edu/lead-free/other/NALLEY_ACI.pdf" rel="nofollow">article/presentation</a> (appears to be on or after 2002) that focuses on the dangers of tin whiskers in military electronics and appears to be worth a close look. One thing that was disturbing was that a lot of electronics was being switched to pure tin and that many of the parts suppliers (the article claims one half of those surveyed) weren&#8217;t aware of tin whisker formation. NASA, who &#8220;prohibits&#8221; the use/presence of pure tin surfaces still had &#8220;1-2% pure tin parts&#8221; enter their satellite systems at some point (date not specified).</p>
<p>The ecological dangers seem overrated especially when compared with lead-acid batteries. From the paper:</p>
<p><i>Note: In the EU starting in 2006 &#8211; Electronic Solder (0.49%) will be banned, but Lead Batteries (80%) will be exempt. Reason:  &#8220;cars can not run without batteries but the electronics industry can manage without lead .&#8221; (Chart is based on Consumption) [chart came from "Advancing Microelectronics", Sept/Oct 1999, pg 29, vol 4]</i></p>
<p>[...]</p>
<p><i>Note: EU exempts lead acid batteries from the landfill, but prohibits  consumer electronics  from disposal. (Chart is based on Lead containing Discards as a Weight Percent) [EPA, 1998]</i></p>
<p>From the chart refered to in the second quote, consumer electronics seemed responsible for 4.4% of lead leachate in US landfills, but batteries were responsible for 48.1%.</p>
<p>This seems to me to be a gross imposition on the electronics industry without a good reason. If lead is really that bad, then they should regulate more sternly battery producers, who are the prime consumer of lead and producer of lead tainted waste.</p>
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