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		<title>By: Stephen Gordon</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/life_extension/paging-dr-titho.html#comment-8924</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 07:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Triticale:

Sorry for the obscure reference.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.paleothea.com/Myths/Eos.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tithonius&lt;/a&gt; was the Greek mythological hero who asked the gods for eternal life, but failed to ask for eternal youth.  He basically aged until he was a pile of dust without the release of death.

Life extension advocates have battled the notion that life extension will just lead to more drooling years.  They call this notion the &quot;Tithonius Error.&quot;  Life extension advocates argue that for life extension to work it will have to grant more healthy life.  Frail life by it&#039;s very nature isn&#039;t long life.

This post was my &quot;Yes, but&quot; post to other life extension advocates (I count myself amoung them).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Triticale:</p>
<p>Sorry for the obscure reference.  <a href="http://www.paleothea.com/Myths/Eos.html" rel="nofollow">Tithonius</a> was the Greek mythological hero who asked the gods for eternal life, but failed to ask for eternal youth.  He basically aged until he was a pile of dust without the release of death.</p>
<p>Life extension advocates have battled the notion that life extension will just lead to more drooling years.  They call this notion the &#8220;Tithonius Error.&#8221;  Life extension advocates argue that for life extension to work it will have to grant more healthy life.  Frail life by it&#8217;s very nature isn&#8217;t long life.</p>
<p>This post was my &#8220;Yes, but&#8221; post to other life extension advocates (I count myself amoung them).</p>
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		<title>By: triticale</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/life_extension/paging-dr-titho.html#comment-8923</link>
		<dc:creator>triticale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 06:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dr. Tithonius? I take it from the name that he&#039;s a cosmetic surgeon?

Suggested reading - After Many a Summer Dies the Swan, by Aldous Huxley. The canonical work on one of the issues addressed here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Tithonius? I take it from the name that he&#8217;s a cosmetic surgeon?</p>
<p>Suggested reading &#8211; After Many a Summer Dies the Swan, by Aldous Huxley. The canonical work on one of the issues addressed here.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Gordon</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/life_extension/paging-dr-titho.html#comment-8922</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Mar 2006 12:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Micah:

I was actually addressing &quot;D. Vision&quot; with that &quot;linear thinking&quot; crack.  Of course &quot;D.&quot; was fishing for that with his comment.  :-)

Phil - not so linear.   :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Micah:</p>
<p>I was actually addressing &#8220;D. Vision&#8221; with that &#8220;linear thinking&#8221; crack.  Of course &#8220;D.&#8221; was fishing for that with his comment.  <img src='https://blog.speculist.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Phil &#8211; not so linear.   <img src='https://blog.speculist.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Micah Glasser</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/life_extension/paging-dr-titho.html#comment-8921</link>
		<dc:creator>Micah Glasser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Mar 2006 23:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ya Phil, you&#039;re so linear. :-D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya Phil, you&#8217;re so linear. <img src='https://blog.speculist.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Gordon</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/life_extension/paging-dr-titho.html#comment-8920</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Phil:

Your two assumptions (not overly burdensome and you have your marbles) are the heart of the dilemma.

Many who&#039;ve planned for 15 year retirements might actually choose to forego life extension.  Particularly since they won&#039;t know going in whether to plan for 12, 22, or 52 years of frailty.

I don&#039;t think that&#039;s the issue for Roger Simon.  I have a sneaking suspicion that he could afford a very long retirement.

For him it&#039;s the thought of years of Depends undergarments that&#039;s the problem.  If I were him and the indignity of frailty was my only concern, I&#039;d start treatments when they are available and discontinue only when the fun is gone.

By the way Phil, I&#039;m with you on the frailty thing.  Although I&#039;ve witnessed exceptions to this, the indignity of old age almost always beats the indignity of death.

D:

You could be right about the arrival dates of these technologies.  None of us know, we just have our suspicions.  And you&#039;re right, aging is many problems.  But all the problems won&#039;t have to be addressed before we see a benefit.  When the easiest problems are solved it will give those beneficiaries time to benefit yet again from the solutions to the harder problems.

And here&#039;s where I accuse you of &quot;linear thinking.&quot;  :-)  Advancements that would take a year today would come faster next year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil:</p>
<p>Your two assumptions (not overly burdensome and you have your marbles) are the heart of the dilemma.</p>
<p>Many who&#8217;ve planned for 15 year retirements might actually choose to forego life extension.  Particularly since they won&#8217;t know going in whether to plan for 12, 22, or 52 years of frailty.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s the issue for Roger Simon.  I have a sneaking suspicion that he could afford a very long retirement.</p>
<p>For him it&#8217;s the thought of years of Depends undergarments that&#8217;s the problem.  If I were him and the indignity of frailty was my only concern, I&#8217;d start treatments when they are available and discontinue only when the fun is gone.</p>
<p>By the way Phil, I&#8217;m with you on the frailty thing.  Although I&#8217;ve witnessed exceptions to this, the indignity of old age almost always beats the indignity of death.</p>
<p>D:</p>
<p>You could be right about the arrival dates of these technologies.  None of us know, we just have our suspicions.  And you&#8217;re right, aging is many problems.  But all the problems won&#8217;t have to be addressed before we see a benefit.  When the easiest problems are solved it will give those beneficiaries time to benefit yet again from the solutions to the harder problems.</p>
<p>And here&#8217;s where I accuse you of &#8220;linear thinking.&#8221;  <img src='https://blog.speculist.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   Advancements that would take a year today would come faster next year.</p>
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		<title>By: D. Vision</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/life_extension/paging-dr-titho.html#comment-8919</link>
		<dc:creator>D. Vision</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I take the promises of life extension with a quite large grain of salt (and you&#039;ll probably accuse me of linear thinking). Turing thought in the 1930s that thinking machines were just around the corner, and that problem and the many subproblems that encompasses, have turned out to be extraordinarily more difficult than thought. Don&#039;t get me wrong; I believe thinking machines will be created, or evolved eventually, but I think real life extension is going to turn out to be so much harder than previously thought.

I&#039;m 25. Maybe by the time I am 75 it will be here. In that sense, I am hopeful. Nevertheless, I&#039;m not counting on it; I plan to make my goldmine by the time I am 50.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take the promises of life extension with a quite large grain of salt (and you&#8217;ll probably accuse me of linear thinking). Turing thought in the 1930s that thinking machines were just around the corner, and that problem and the many subproblems that encompasses, have turned out to be extraordinarily more difficult than thought. Don&#8217;t get me wrong; I believe thinking machines will be created, or evolved eventually, but I think real life extension is going to turn out to be so much harder than previously thought.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m 25. Maybe by the time I am 75 it will be here. In that sense, I am hopeful. Nevertheless, I&#8217;m not counting on it; I plan to make my goldmine by the time I am 50.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Bowermaster</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/life_extension/paging-dr-titho.html#comment-8918</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Bowermaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;Instead of being disabled five years followed by death, she is disabled about 12 years followed by indefinite youth. Which is best?&lt;/em&gt;

I&#039;ll take 12, 22, 32, 42, or even 52 years of frailty for that payoff -- assuming I at least have my mind all that time and that my disability isn&#039;t unduly burdensome on my family.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Instead of being disabled five years followed by death, she is disabled about 12 years followed by indefinite youth. Which is best?</em></p>
<p>I&#8217;ll take 12, 22, 32, 42, or even 52 years of frailty for that payoff &#8212; assuming I at least have my mind all that time and that my disability isn&#8217;t unduly burdensome on my family.</p>
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