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		<title>By: Tennwriter</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/economics/atlas-shrugs.html#comment-4685</link>
		<dc:creator>Tennwriter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 19:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You might want to read &#039;Sleepless&#039; by Nancy Kress. In it, the uber-capable who had enough money to buy the Sleepless mod have become the runners of the robot factories which provide the rest of the population what they want--so everyone else is a 17th century aristocrat.  There is government because people have differing desires.

Its been a long time since I read this book so forgive me if I got some details wrong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might want to read &#8216;Sleepless&#8217; by Nancy Kress. In it, the uber-capable who had enough money to buy the Sleepless mod have become the runners of the robot factories which provide the rest of the population what they want&#8211;so everyone else is a 17th century aristocrat.  There is government because people have differing desires.</p>
<p>Its been a long time since I read this book so forgive me if I got some details wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Micha Elyi</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/economics/atlas-shrugs.html#comment-4684</link>
		<dc:creator>Micha Elyi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 18:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The social and cultural aspects of a Better Living Through AI Automation world have been explored in James P. Hogan&#039;s novel &lt;i&gt;Voyage from Yesteryear.&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The social and cultural aspects of a Better Living Through AI Automation world have been explored in James P. Hogan&#8217;s novel <i>Voyage from Yesteryear.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Ettanin</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/economics/atlas-shrugs.html#comment-4683</link>
		<dc:creator>Ettanin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 13:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re assuming that populations of AI wouldn&#039;t in of themselves develop factions/subspecies of some kind.   Since everyone talks of AI potentially being on an extremely fast evolutionary cycle one would think that such differentiations among different AI would be inevitable.  In such a circumstance, self-interested control over scarce resources may indeed develop as a trait of any AI programmed to survive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re assuming that populations of AI wouldn&#8217;t in of themselves develop factions/subspecies of some kind.   Since everyone talks of AI potentially being on an extremely fast evolutionary cycle one would think that such differentiations among different AI would be inevitable.  In such a circumstance, self-interested control over scarce resources may indeed develop as a trait of any AI programmed to survive.</p>
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		<title>By: Sally Morem</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/economics/atlas-shrugs.html#comment-4682</link>
		<dc:creator>Sally Morem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Except for the few non-existent technologies, Atlas Shrugged had an amazingly &quot;Fortyish&quot; flavor.  That&#039;s when Rand began writing notebooks, planning her huge novel.

Transportation was utterly dependent on railroads, there was no television to speak of, nor computers (even the vacuum tube ones that actually existed in the Fifties), no interstates, no jet airlines, and no Elvis!!!

I was 7 years old when the Fifties ended.  I simply didn&#039;t recognize anything in that novel that I&#039;d recognize from the child-eye view.

It is a genuinely moving novel from the political philosophical vantage point (which I won&#039;t get into), but technologically, it was outdated before Rand got done filling out her notebooks.

I will take a chance on edging into political territory by point out one of her economic faux pas, the idea that everyone who really counted as genuine creatives in America could get together at a small, intimate dinner party at Galt&#039;s Gulch in Colorado is insane.  You&#039;d need at least all the seating in the Denver Broncos&#039; stadium to stuff &#039;em all in. Actually, a lot more than that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except for the few non-existent technologies, Atlas Shrugged had an amazingly &#8220;Fortyish&#8221; flavor.  That&#8217;s when Rand began writing notebooks, planning her huge novel.</p>
<p>Transportation was utterly dependent on railroads, there was no television to speak of, nor computers (even the vacuum tube ones that actually existed in the Fifties), no interstates, no jet airlines, and no Elvis!!!</p>
<p>I was 7 years old when the Fifties ended.  I simply didn&#8217;t recognize anything in that novel that I&#8217;d recognize from the child-eye view.</p>
<p>It is a genuinely moving novel from the political philosophical vantage point (which I won&#8217;t get into), but technologically, it was outdated before Rand got done filling out her notebooks.</p>
<p>I will take a chance on edging into political territory by point out one of her economic faux pas, the idea that everyone who really counted as genuine creatives in America could get together at a small, intimate dinner party at Galt&#8217;s Gulch in Colorado is insane.  You&#8217;d need at least all the seating in the Denver Broncos&#8217; stadium to stuff &#8216;em all in. Actually, a lot more than that.</p>
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		<title>By: Sally Morem</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/economics/atlas-shrugs.html#comment-4681</link>
		<dc:creator>Sally Morem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We&#039;re already in the early stages of outsourcing all boring, repetitive, dangerous work.  I estimated years ago that 90 % of the actual physical labor involved in producing America&#039;s GDP was actually carried out by machines.  My estimate now is that the % keeps rising.

I agree with Ben&#039;s assessment. The thought and creativity of whatever is produced will be the human end of add-on value...at least until we merge with our machines.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re already in the early stages of outsourcing all boring, repetitive, dangerous work.  I estimated years ago that 90 % of the actual physical labor involved in producing America&#8217;s GDP was actually carried out by machines.  My estimate now is that the % keeps rising.</p>
<p>I agree with Ben&#8217;s assessment. The thought and creativity of whatever is produced will be the human end of add-on value&#8230;at least until we merge with our machines.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Bowermaster</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/economics/atlas-shrugs.html#comment-4680</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Bowermaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 06:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ben --

To my mind, those three things are what&#039;s left for us to produce if the machines produce all physical goods. I think MikeD&#039;s warning about being lost in irrelevance is right on the money. If we can continue to contribute in those areas, we continue to matter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben &#8211;</p>
<p>To my mind, those three things are what&#8217;s left for us to produce if the machines produce all physical goods. I think MikeD&#8217;s warning about being lost in irrelevance is right on the money. If we can continue to contribute in those areas, we continue to matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/economics/atlas-shrugs.html#comment-4679</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 05:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;In a world run by them, true productivity will have to do with increasing knowledge, increasing capability, and creating beauty.&quot;

How do you figure?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In a world run by them, true productivity will have to do with increasing knowledge, increasing capability, and creating beauty.&#8221;</p>
<p>How do you figure?</p>
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		<title>By: MikeD</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/economics/atlas-shrugs.html#comment-4678</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought the point of Galt&#039;s New Order was that the producers did only what they wanted to do and gave their trust and respect only to those who they deemed worthy.  In such an economy &#039;value&#039; is determined by the producer rather than the consumer.  In a near-singularity environment where most needs are met by machines, the ability to produce new entertainment may be the only skill that matters.  Whether blogging, dungeon raiding, digital sculpting (from visual arts to software engineering) or simply generating clickstreams - we will either be producers or we will be lost in irrelevance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought the point of Galt&#8217;s New Order was that the producers did only what they wanted to do and gave their trust and respect only to those who they deemed worthy.  In such an economy &#8216;value&#8217; is determined by the producer rather than the consumer.  In a near-singularity environment where most needs are met by machines, the ability to produce new entertainment may be the only skill that matters.  Whether blogging, dungeon raiding, digital sculpting (from visual arts to software engineering) or simply generating clickstreams &#8211; we will either be producers or we will be lost in irrelevance.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/economics/atlas-shrugs.html#comment-4677</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 16:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Touche.  

I like the addition by subtraction idea (good luck getting any pol who isn&#039;t in love with themselves/power), but without the feedback loop of significant consequences actively impacting one&#039;s physical comfort, I don&#039;t know if good judgement from a machine is possible.  The ability to think &quot;faster&quot; is not necessarily &quot;better.&quot; 

Further, I disagree that anyone who has greater intelligence also has the capacity for greater wisdom and judgement.  Some people have no learning curves; additional IQ points aren&#039;t going to change that. 

I should point out that I love the blog and my quibbling with your latest is in no way a reflection on my appreciation otherwise.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Touche.  </p>
<p>I like the addition by subtraction idea (good luck getting any pol who isn&#8217;t in love with themselves/power), but without the feedback loop of significant consequences actively impacting one&#8217;s physical comfort, I don&#8217;t know if good judgement from a machine is possible.  The ability to think &#8220;faster&#8221; is not necessarily &#8220;better.&#8221; </p>
<p>Further, I disagree that anyone who has greater intelligence also has the capacity for greater wisdom and judgement.  Some people have no learning curves; additional IQ points aren&#8217;t going to change that. </p>
<p>I should point out that I love the blog and my quibbling with your latest is in no way a reflection on my appreciation otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Bowermaster</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/economics/atlas-shrugs.html#comment-4676</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Bowermaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kirk --

Well, first off, my older child is 20 so I&#039;m in the later stages of being a new parent. 

Any person (organic or machine) who has greater intelligence than I has a greater capacity for wisdom, judgment, leadership, etc. than I do. That person may lack experience initially, but thinking a million times faster than we do, ought to be able to get caught up pretty fast.

Also, to get back to the idea of addition by subtraction, I&#039;d like to see a candidate for office who doesn&#039;t suffer from excessive self-regard and who won&#039;t be tempted to sell out to special interests -- having had such proclivities edited out or, better yet, who never had them in the first place. Edit out the love of power and you might have a government run by folks (electronic folks, that is) truly capable of behaving as public servants.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kirk &#8211;</p>
<p>Well, first off, my older child is 20 so I&#8217;m in the later stages of being a new parent. </p>
<p>Any person (organic or machine) who has greater intelligence than I has a greater capacity for wisdom, judgment, leadership, etc. than I do. That person may lack experience initially, but thinking a million times faster than we do, ought to be able to get caught up pretty fast.</p>
<p>Also, to get back to the idea of addition by subtraction, I&#8217;d like to see a candidate for office who doesn&#8217;t suffer from excessive self-regard and who won&#8217;t be tempted to sell out to special interests &#8212; having had such proclivities edited out or, better yet, who never had them in the first place. Edit out the love of power and you might have a government run by folks (electronic folks, that is) truly capable of behaving as public servants.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/economics/atlas-shrugs.html#comment-4675</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Phil, you&#039;re making a common mistake about leadership: intelligence is not the same thing as wisdom and judgement.  Just because a machine is smarter than me, doesn&#039;t mean it has better judgement or it is better suited to run the world than I am (not that I am).  As a new parent you&#039;ve not been confronted with this problem just yet, but soon enough you&#039;ll be confronted with a creature that is likely as smart or smarter than you who is in no way ready to run your life.  AI is nice, but it by itself won&#039;t suffice to run/govern human affairs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil, you&#8217;re making a common mistake about leadership: intelligence is not the same thing as wisdom and judgement.  Just because a machine is smarter than me, doesn&#8217;t mean it has better judgement or it is better suited to run the world than I am (not that I am).  As a new parent you&#8217;ve not been confronted with this problem just yet, but soon enough you&#8217;ll be confronted with a creature that is likely as smart or smarter than you who is in no way ready to run your life.  AI is nice, but it by itself won&#8217;t suffice to run/govern human affairs.</p>
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