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		<title>By: ohr</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/better_all_the_time/better-all-the-37.html#comment-4281</link>
		<dc:creator>ohr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 06:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the waterproof sand thing is the most interesting, particularly since they can produce so much in a short time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the waterproof sand thing is the most interesting, particularly since they can produce so much in a short time.</p>
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		<title>By: John Voorhees</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/better_all_the_time/better-all-the-37.html#comment-4280</link>
		<dc:creator>John Voorhees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 14:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t believe that no one mentioned that that fusion reactor TOTALLY looks JUST like Green Lantern&#039;s cosmic power battery ... if only it were green.

The Green Lantern Corps, man! Live to see it!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe that no one mentioned that that fusion reactor TOTALLY looks JUST like Green Lantern&#8217;s cosmic power battery &#8230; if only it were green.</p>
<p>The Green Lantern Corps, man! Live to see it!</p>
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		<title>By: Cook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Answers for solar:  Solar at night is one of the few technological challenges left for solar thermal.  Right now the favored technology is to store the excess heat produced during the day in molten salt and release the heat at night.  There are also engineered ceramic ideas being developed that would circumvent the &quot;whoops the molten salt got too cool now it&#039;s a block of salt&quot; prblem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Answers for solar:  Solar at night is one of the few technological challenges left for solar thermal.  Right now the favored technology is to store the excess heat produced during the day in molten salt and release the heat at night.  There are also engineered ceramic ideas being developed that would circumvent the &#8220;whoops the molten salt got too cool now it&#8217;s a block of salt&#8221; prblem.</p>
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		<title>By: MDarling</title>
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		<dc:creator>MDarling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 09:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well- JOSH doesn&#039;t need vindication. He&#039;s wicked smart. And I&#039;m confident he&#039;s just making another point that I&#039;m not really addressing.  I&#039;m just tring to notice the path to robot overlords.

Military action is (and ought to be) an extension of political objectives by other means.

And I would have loved if this- or any prior - administration would have stepped up and committed to a working, commercializable fusion reactor with 10 years.  I get why it hasn&#039;t happened- but if a candidate (Dennis Kucinich?) would have stepped up and said- end the war in Iraq, restore fiscal sanity, and working reactor in 10 years - that candidate would have had my support.

Especially if that candidate would have also committed to a cabinet  level secretary of robot overlord relations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well- JOSH doesn&#8217;t need vindication. He&#8217;s wicked smart. And I&#8217;m confident he&#8217;s just making another point that I&#8217;m not really addressing.  I&#8217;m just tring to notice the path to robot overlords.</p>
<p>Military action is (and ought to be) an extension of political objectives by other means.</p>
<p>And I would have loved if this- or any prior &#8211; administration would have stepped up and committed to a working, commercializable fusion reactor with 10 years.  I get why it hasn&#8217;t happened- but if a candidate (Dennis Kucinich?) would have stepped up and said- end the war in Iraq, restore fiscal sanity, and working reactor in 10 years &#8211; that candidate would have had my support.</p>
<p>Especially if that candidate would have also committed to a cabinet  level secretary of robot overlord relations.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Bowermaster</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/better_all_the_time/better-all-the-37.html#comment-4277</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Bowermaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 16:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[MD --

&gt;&gt;I suggest the attitude behind this kind of overstatement will facilitate the take over by the robot overlords.

As long as they&#039;re friendly and competent!

Let&#039;s look at this list of problems that politics has solved:

&lt;b&gt;American revolution&lt;/b&gt; -- As good a political solution as we&#039;re ever likely to get to anything, but it assumed the complete failure of the then-current political infrastructure and required no small amount of bloodshed.

&lt;b&gt;US Slavery&lt;/b&gt; -- see above.

&lt;b&gt;spread of German Nazism&lt;/b&gt; -- see above.

Using military means to achieve your goals can be highly effective, and I won&#039;t say that it is a misuse of the word &quot;politics&quot; to include this kind of activity, but I don&#039;t think that&#039;s how Josh was using the term.

&lt;b&gt;universal public education&lt;/b&gt; -- Yes, that&#039;s a good one. 

&lt;b&gt;the interstate highway system&lt;/b&gt; -- Good one, although I would have to describe it as at least partially a technological solution.

&lt;b&gt;public libraries&lt;/b&gt; -- Good one, but many of the most needed ones were established by private initiative, not through the political process.

So we will update Josh as follows:

&quot;...the problems that technology has addressed have gotten solved, and the ones that were dependent on politics and so forth have not -- with the exception of going to war and kicking the other guy&#039;s butt. Also, sometimes government is good at dispensing knowledge and &lt;i&gt;implementing&lt;/i&gt; the technological solutions we need.&quot; 

Much better.

Also, government and politics aren&#039;t exactly the same thing (although they are of course pretty tightly linked.) The Apollo program was government in action -- also another great example of a technological solution being implemented. &lt;em&gt;Dismantling&lt;/em&gt; the Apollo program was politics in action.  

&gt;&gt;First- we should blame everything on the Obama administration.

Not attacking or blaming the president here, just suggesting that the US Government would do well to get behind fusion. Seems like I&#039;ve heard you say something similar.

I knew I was taking a risk mentioning the president by name. (I once got some &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.blog.speculist.com/archives/000918.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;hyper-sensitive Bush fans&lt;/a&gt; all upset, too.) To balance things out, I have added the now-irrelevant question about the previous administration. Expect to see the letters &quot;BDS&quot; in a subsequent comment in this thread. 

&gt;&gt;Then we should reconcile the CV position that the administration has anything to do with anything with JOSH&#039;s position that political solutions are a waste of time.

Or we can simply note that the three-quarters-of-a-trillion-dollar stimulus package just passed had a bunch of energy stuff in it, but nothing about nuclear fission technology (much less fusion) and see that Josh is pretty much vindicated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MD &#8211;</p>
<p>>>I suggest the attitude behind this kind of overstatement will facilitate the take over by the robot overlords.</p>
<p>As long as they&#8217;re friendly and competent!</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s look at this list of problems that politics has solved:</p>
<p><b>American revolution</b> &#8212; As good a political solution as we&#8217;re ever likely to get to anything, but it assumed the complete failure of the then-current political infrastructure and required no small amount of bloodshed.</p>
<p><b>US Slavery</b> &#8212; see above.</p>
<p><b>spread of German Nazism</b> &#8212; see above.</p>
<p>Using military means to achieve your goals can be highly effective, and I won&#8217;t say that it is a misuse of the word &#8220;politics&#8221; to include this kind of activity, but I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s how Josh was using the term.</p>
<p><b>universal public education</b> &#8212; Yes, that&#8217;s a good one. </p>
<p><b>the interstate highway system</b> &#8212; Good one, although I would have to describe it as at least partially a technological solution.</p>
<p><b>public libraries</b> &#8212; Good one, but many of the most needed ones were established by private initiative, not through the political process.</p>
<p>So we will update Josh as follows:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;the problems that technology has addressed have gotten solved, and the ones that were dependent on politics and so forth have not &#8212; with the exception of going to war and kicking the other guy&#8217;s butt. Also, sometimes government is good at dispensing knowledge and <i>implementing</i> the technological solutions we need.&#8221; </p>
<p>Much better.</p>
<p>Also, government and politics aren&#8217;t exactly the same thing (although they are of course pretty tightly linked.) The Apollo program was government in action &#8212; also another great example of a technological solution being implemented. <em>Dismantling</em> the Apollo program was politics in action.  </p>
<p>>>First- we should blame everything on the Obama administration.</p>
<p>Not attacking or blaming the president here, just suggesting that the US Government would do well to get behind fusion. Seems like I&#8217;ve heard you say something similar.</p>
<p>I knew I was taking a risk mentioning the president by name. (I once got some <a href="https://www.blog.speculist.com/archives/000918.html" rel="nofollow">hyper-sensitive Bush fans</a> all upset, too.) To balance things out, I have added the now-irrelevant question about the previous administration. Expect to see the letters &#8220;BDS&#8221; in a subsequent comment in this thread. </p>
<p>>>Then we should reconcile the CV position that the administration has anything to do with anything with JOSH&#8217;s position that political solutions are a waste of time.</p>
<p>Or we can simply note that the three-quarters-of-a-trillion-dollar stimulus package just passed had a bunch of energy stuff in it, but nothing about nuclear fission technology (much less fusion) and see that Josh is pretty much vindicated.</p>
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		<title>By: MDarling</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/better_all_the_time/better-all-the-37.html#comment-4276</link>
		<dc:creator>MDarling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 03:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#5
First- we should blame everything on the Obama administration. 
Then we should reconcile the CV position that the administration has anything to do with anything with JOSH&#039;s position that political solutions are a waste of time.

Then we could read the Navy explanation and assessment.  It&#039;s possible- though no more likely than not -the Navy observers have no idea what they are looking at. In my experience those guys know their nuclear power.  But this is fusion - and while I would whole heartedly support an expansion and acceleration of the Navy program to prove or kill the Bussard model- at least long enough to put a believable price on the R&amp;D to production- I believe that the Navy would love to see this work sooner not later. We all would, even if we don&#039;t know it.

BTW- I don&#039;t see fusion as an either or with solar, pv or thermal.  In fact, I think achieving critical mass in one will give us an easier path to the other. Not that you were suggesting otherwise.
I support a strong US global naval presence. And I can&#039;t imagine how they run the sibs on solar. Ships either- but subs are a more obvious example]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#5<br />
First- we should blame everything on the Obama administration.<br />
Then we should reconcile the CV position that the administration has anything to do with anything with JOSH&#8217;s position that political solutions are a waste of time.</p>
<p>Then we could read the Navy explanation and assessment.  It&#8217;s possible- though no more likely than not -the Navy observers have no idea what they are looking at. In my experience those guys know their nuclear power.  But this is fusion &#8211; and while I would whole heartedly support an expansion and acceleration of the Navy program to prove or kill the Bussard model- at least long enough to put a believable price on the R&#038;D to production- I believe that the Navy would love to see this work sooner not later. We all would, even if we don&#8217;t know it.</p>
<p>BTW- I don&#8217;t see fusion as an either or with solar, pv or thermal.  In fact, I think achieving critical mass in one will give us an easier path to the other. Not that you were suggesting otherwise.<br />
I support a strong US global naval presence. And I can&#8217;t imagine how they run the sibs on solar. Ships either- but subs are a more obvious example</p>
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		<title>By: MDarling</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/better_all_the_time/better-all-the-37.html#comment-4275</link>
		<dc:creator>MDarling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 03:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;... bottom line is that, historically, the problems that technology has addressed have gotten solved, and the ones that were dependent on politics and so forth have not.&quot;


Well- I think I get the point he&#039;s making and his frustration with the crush of humanity think. But this seems to be a vast overstatement - and in  context of his article, I suggest the attitude behind this kind of overstatement will facilitate the take over by the robot overlords.

Political problems and solutions that had political resolution
- American revolution
- US Slavery
- spread of German Nazism
- universal public education
- the interstate highway system 
- public libraries]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230; bottom line is that, historically, the problems that technology has addressed have gotten solved, and the ones that were dependent on politics and so forth have not.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well- I think I get the point he&#8217;s making and his frustration with the crush of humanity think. But this seems to be a vast overstatement &#8211; and in  context of his article, I suggest the attitude behind this kind of overstatement will facilitate the take over by the robot overlords.</p>
<p>Political problems and solutions that had political resolution<br />
- American revolution<br />
- US Slavery<br />
- spread of German Nazism<br />
- universal public education<br />
- the interstate highway system<br />
- public libraries</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Godby</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/better_all_the_time/better-all-the-37.html#comment-4274</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Godby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 02:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[WIll the shade created by the solar panels help make the land more fertile or less parched? Toss in some hydrophobic sand and maybe your solar farm becomes a traditional farm as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WIll the shade created by the solar panels help make the land more fertile or less parched? Toss in some hydrophobic sand and maybe your solar farm becomes a traditional farm as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Twok</title>
		<link>https://blog.speculist.com/better_all_the_time/better-all-the-37.html#comment-4273</link>
		<dc:creator>Twok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the waterproof sand thing is the most interesting, particularly since they can produce so much in a short time.

Solar thermal is nothing new.  In India, most homes use low-tech solar thermal (using mirrors) to heat their bathwater.  This has been the case for decades.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the waterproof sand thing is the most interesting, particularly since they can produce so much in a short time.</p>
<p>Solar thermal is nothing new.  In India, most homes use low-tech solar thermal (using mirrors) to heat their bathwater.  This has been the case for decades.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Barnes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Barnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 12:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The data on vitamin D is very convincing. The Canadian Cancer Society now recommend that everyone takes 1000IU per day to prevent cancer. Take a look at www.vitaminD3world.com for some very good summaries]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The data on vitamin D is very convincing. The Canadian Cancer Society now recommend that everyone takes 1000IU per day to prevent cancer. Take a look at <a href="http://www.vitaminD3world.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.vitaminD3world.com</a> for some very good summaries</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Bowermaster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Bowermaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[WJ --

What kind of reason were you thinking of? If the reason is that the species wasn&#039;t viable due to predation, then I think we have the option of bringing it back -- but need to recognize that it is no more likely to survive in the wild than it did before. If you mean God&#039;s Will or Nature&#039;s Plan or something, how do you know that our bringing the species back is not a part of that plan? Why is it that God (and / or Nature) are always assumed to act independent of, and generally contrary to, what human beings do?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WJ &#8211;</p>
<p>What kind of reason were you thinking of? If the reason is that the species wasn&#8217;t viable due to predation, then I think we have the option of bringing it back &#8212; but need to recognize that it is no more likely to survive in the wild than it did before. If you mean God&#8217;s Will or Nature&#8217;s Plan or something, how do you know that our bringing the species back is not a part of that plan? Why is it that God (and / or Nature) are always assumed to act independent of, and generally contrary to, what human beings do?</p>
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		<title>By: WJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>WJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: extinct Ibex

I am sure it is not popular to say this, but is it possible that the Ibex went extinct for a reason?  Why should we be bringing it back to life?

Hasn&#039;t about 99.9% of all extinct species become extinct before mankind was a factor?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: extinct Ibex</p>
<p>I am sure it is not popular to say this, but is it possible that the Ibex went extinct for a reason?  Why should we be bringing it back to life?</p>
<p>Hasn&#8217;t about 99.9% of all extinct species become extinct before mankind was a factor?</p>
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		<title>By: richard mcenroe</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard mcenroe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Most estimates indicate solar thermal is cost effective and it provides power 24 hours a day&quot;

OK, serious question: there&#039;s a night shift at the solar plant?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Most estimates indicate solar thermal is cost effective and it provides power 24 hours a day&#8221;</p>
<p>OK, serious question: there&#8217;s a night shift at the solar plant?</p>
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		<title>By: Bud Henderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bud Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 10:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Solar thermal has been around for decades, maybe longer.  It&#039;s nice that this project is finally getting off the ground.  I had read that pseudo-environmental groups like the Sierra Club were blocking approval.  Most estimates indicate solar thermal is cost effective and it provides power 24 hours a day]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Solar thermal has been around for decades, maybe longer.  It&#8217;s nice that this project is finally getting off the ground.  I had read that pseudo-environmental groups like the Sierra Club were blocking approval.  Most estimates indicate solar thermal is cost effective and it provides power 24 hours a day</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Bowermaster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Bowermaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[KR --

I don&#039;t know whether to say &quot;Great Scott!&quot; or &quot;Save the Clock Tower!&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KR &#8211;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know whether to say &#8220;Great Scott!&#8221; or &#8220;Save the Clock Tower!&#8221;</p>
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